Nihil Obstat Posted April 15, 2013 Posted April 15, 2013 It is only heretical if one means that Mary is divine by nature. Only the persons of the Holy Trinity are divine by nature (or essence). I accept this distinction. :)
Apotheoun Posted April 15, 2013 Posted April 15, 2013 (edited) In the doctrine of the Eastern Church Fathers there are three forms of union within the Godhead: the first form of union is that shared by the persons of the Holy Trinity, who are distinct from each other personally (hypostatically), while being perfectly one in the unity of the divine essence (ousia); the second form of union is what is called the hypostatic union, and this union is experienced only by the second person of the Holy Trinity (i.e., the Son of God made man), who united human nature with His divine hypostasis and became incarnate; and finally, the third form of union within the Godhead is experienced by the saints, that is, by those who emulated Christ in their earthly lives through the power of God's deifying grace, but who will remain for all eternity distinct from God both essentially and hypostatically. This third form of union with the Triune God is achieved by participation in the uncreated divine energies (i.e., the actualized powers of the three divine persons), which make a man into a perfect likeness (homoiousis) of God. Edited April 15, 2013 by Apotheoun
HisChildForever Posted April 15, 2013 Posted April 15, 2013 I smell trolls. C'mon guys, fix your trolldar..
Nihil Obstat Posted April 15, 2013 Posted April 15, 2013 Could be Protestant trolls trying to prove that Catholics worship Mary. :|
HisChildForever Posted April 15, 2013 Posted April 15, 2013 Could be Protestant trolls trying to prove that Catholics worship Mary. :| Whatever it is, I have the impression that they aren't interested in legitimate discussion.
Nihil Obstat Posted April 15, 2013 Posted April 15, 2013 (edited) To be honest I was expecting much worse. Given the sort of trolls we have had in the past... Todd Vetter, Stormstopper, etc.. I guess my eyes just are not sinister enough anymore... :sad2: Edited April 15, 2013 by Nihil Obstat
HisChildForever Posted April 15, 2013 Posted April 15, 2013 To be honest I was expecting much worse. Given the sort of trolls we have had in the past... Todd Vetter, Stormstopper, etc.. I guess my eyes just are not sinister enough anymore... :sad2: LOL. Well they're posting one or two sentences at a time and they're very leading sentences. Baiting.
HisChildForever Posted April 15, 2013 Posted April 15, 2013 So Mary is God. We all agree now? The Catholic Church doesn't teach this. If you want to worship Mary as God, that's your prerogative.
CatholicsAreKewl Posted April 16, 2013 Author Posted April 16, 2013 The Catholic Church doesn't teach this. If you want to worship Mary as God, that's your prerogative. I never said anything about worshipping God. You're sounding like a MIGCMer. I was just saying she is God.
HisChildForever Posted April 16, 2013 Posted April 16, 2013 I never said anything about worshipping God. You're sounding like a MIGCMer. I was just saying she is God. Well, you're wrong. And I don't know what the heck "MIGCMer" is.
Apotheoun Posted April 16, 2013 Posted April 16, 2013 I smell trolls. C'mon guys, fix your trolldar.. Trolls or not . . . I think it was a fairly informative thread.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted April 16, 2013 Posted April 16, 2013 So she is not divine? How could a mere human never sin? The holy mother is a one time only for human beings, as was the parting of the red sea, as was God becoming man. These are one show only. There are not so many one time only momments in this world,thats what makes them so special. Onward christian souls. JESUS iz LORD.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted April 16, 2013 Posted April 16, 2013 Mary was saved from sin by an extraordinary gift from God, such that she could bear God the Son. She was not divine. She was saved by Christ, whom she bore, in a particularly intimate way that prepared her for her role. I like that. The first and greatest of all the saints, the first to accept Jesus by accepting to bear Jesus in her womb.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted April 16, 2013 Posted April 16, 2013 "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'?John 10:34 Perfect union with God? Doesn't that imply that we "become God"? If not, why is this verse used in reference to Theosis? Perhaps this verse in using the word 'gods' is meaning as belonging to God not as God. :)
CatholicsAreKewl Posted April 16, 2013 Author Posted April 16, 2013 Perhaps this verse in using the word 'gods' is meaning as belonging to God not as God. :) There is no apostrophe.
CatholicsAreKewl Posted April 16, 2013 Author Posted April 16, 2013 Well, you're wrong. And I don't know what the heck "MIGCMer" is. I believe everyone would agree that she is God by the doctrine of Theosis. To deny that is to deny a Church approved doctrine. Look up "MIGCM".
Nihil Obstat Posted April 16, 2013 Posted April 16, 2013 The MITgcm (MIT General Circulation Model) is a numerical model designed for study of the atmosphere, ocean, and climate. The MIT General Circulation Model (MITgcm) is a numerical computer code that solves the equations of motion governing the ocean or Earth's atmosphere using the finite volume method. It was developed at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and was one of the first non-hydrostatic models of the ocean. It has an automatically generated adjoint that allows the model to be used for data assimilation.
CatholicsAreKewl Posted April 16, 2013 Author Posted April 16, 2013 Exactly why i don't endorse such nonsense.
Nihil Obstat Posted April 16, 2013 Posted April 16, 2013 Oh hey look. We talked about this junk way back on 05. http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/43255-mary-is-god-catholic-movement/
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