KnightofChrist Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 Right. I am a developed fetus. I'm bigoted towards myself. Brilliant. Bigotry isn't brilliant, it's prideful ignorance. Such ignorance is why humans hate other humans all the time, or support the mass murder of other humans.
Socrates Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 Don't be fooled by the campaign. Millions of dollars are wasted on the unborn whom God can save on His own. We should all be acting like Saints towards children who are born into poverty, even in the good ol USA. Why waste money and time on poor kids whom God can save on His own? This troll doesn't even try. Right. I am a developed fetus. I'm bigoted towards myself. Brilliant. So Catholics who practice NFP are also occasionally bigots since they actively work to prevent a fetus from coming to be. AND IF YOU TRIED TO PREVENT A JEW FROM EXISTING YOU'D BE AN ANTISEMITE!!!! SO THIS IS THE SAME THING!!!!! OH THE HUMANITY!!!!1!! Yawn. Yeah, everyone who's not currently banging every fertile member of the opposite sex he/she can find is evil for not bringing new life into existence. Obviously, there's a difference between killing a human life that already exists and avoiding sexual activity that could conceive a new life, but then I'm stating the obvious. Hasan, your trolling skills have gotten rusty.
Socrates Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 "Pro-life" is a political slogan, rather than a precise theological term. However, I generally use its traditional meaning to mean being in support of the right to life for all innocent human beings from conception to natural death. This means always opposing abortion, murder, assisted suicide, and human euthanasia It does not necessarily mean being opposed to the just use of the death penalty in certain cases, killing enemy combatants in war, using lethal force in defense of one's self or others against an aggressor, or killing plants and tasty animals for food.
FutureCarmeliteClaire Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 Ummm... I hope you realize that all groups that push for change have their own powerful interests... That's the reason why they push so hard.
4588686 Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 Bigotry isn't brilliant, it's prideful ignorance. Such ignorance is why humans hate other humans all the time, or support the mass murder of other humans. I noticed how you completely skipped my refutation by logical analogy.
4588686 Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 Why waste money and time on poor kids whom God can save on His own? This troll doesn't even try. Yawn. Yeah, everyone who's not currently banging every fertile member of the opposite sex he/she can find is evil for not bringing new life into existence. Obviously, there's a difference between killing a human life that already exists and avoiding sexual activity that could conceive a new life, but then I'm stating the obvious. Hasan, your trolling skills have gotten rusty. :O (that wasn't what I was saying. At all. Careful reading is your friend)
KnightofChrist Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 I noticed how you completely skipped my refutation by logical analogy.I replied to the closest thing to logic you stated in that post. I'm sorry you have adopted a bigoted ideology. If someone else used the same logic against the personhood of any other group of human beings you'd see how it is wrong. Assuming of course there are no other groups of human beings you deny are persons.
4588686 Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 I replied to the closest thing to logic you stated in that post. I'm sorry you have adopted a bigoted ideology. If someone else used the same logic against the personhood of any other group of human beings you'd see how it is wrong. Assuming of course there are no other groups of human beings you deny are persons. I did use logic. You are just ignoring it because it points out how absurd your claim of bigotry is. Are Catholic couples who use NFP guilty of occasional bigotry? How is what they are doing any different from an individual saying 'right now, I'd like for a potential subset of ethnicity 'x' not to exist?' But since once you admit that they are not engaging in occasional bigotry your hyperbolic charge against me falls apart, let's see how many posts you make that attempt to get around actually answering the substance of my point.
KnightofChrist Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 I did use logic. You are just ignoring it because oints out how absurd your claim of bigotry is. Are Catholic couples who use NFP guilty of occasional bigotry? How is what they are doing any different from an individual saying 'right now, I'd like for a potential subset of ethnicity 'x' not to exist?' But since once you admit that they are not engaging in occasional bigotry your hyperbolic charge against me falls apart, let's see how many posts you make that attempt to get around actually answering the substance of my point. NFP doesn't murder or abort a living individual member of human race. Your ideology put into practice does murder such members of the human race. Your logic is fail.
4588686 Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 NFP doesn't murder or abort a living individual member of human race. Your ideology put into practice does murder such members of the human race. Your logic is fail. That was your first dodge. Lets see how many more times you try to maneuver around answering.
KnightofChrist Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 That was your first dodge. Lets see how many more times you try to maneuver around answering. Sorry I don't have time for playing games with you. Find an analogy that is actually comparable to denying personhood to a group of human beings.
4588686 Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 Sorry I don't have time for playing games with you. Find an analogy that is actually comparable to denying personhood to a group of human beings. Second dodge. I'm not playing games. But it is nice to see that even you don't take your argument that I'm a bigot seriously.
KnightofChrist Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) Second dodge. I'm not playing games. But it is nice to see that even you don't take your argument that I'm a bigot seriously. There is no dodge, I am quite wiling to discuss an analogy that is actually comparable to denying personhood to a group of unwanted human beings, whenever you are willing and able to supply one. NFP does not deny the personhood of an existing living member of the human race. Sperm and Unfertilized eggs are not unique individual members of the human race. Fertilized embryos are unique individual members of the human race. NFP does not abort human beings or deny the personhood of such humans, but pro-abortion ideology does. Edited May 7, 2013 by KnightofChrist
4588686 Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 There is no dodge, I am quite wiling to discuss an analogy that is actually comparable to denying personhood to a group of unwanted human beings, whenever you are willing and able to supply one. NFP does not deny the personhood of an existing living member of the human race. Sperm and Unfertilized eggs are not unique individual members of the human race. Fertilized embryos are unique individual members of the human race. NFP does not abort human beings or deny the personhood of such humans, but pro-abortion ideology does. And by that logic NFP seeks to preclude a potential subset of a subset of unique individuals of the human race from existence. This is a specific subset that they want to deliberately block from existing. If I sought to specifically preclude a subset of black Americans from existing would I be a bigot?
dominicansoul Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 I believe "Pro-Life" means exactly what it means: "for life." "I call heaven and earth today to witness against you:m I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then, that you and your descendants may live," Deuteronomy Ch. 30 Vs 19 It's a philosophy against the wanton destruction of human life in the womb, out of the womb, on death row, insane asylums, hospitals, nursing homes, on battlefields of unneccessary wars... it means loving God with all your heart soul minds and bodies...and all your neighbors no matter what... it means love for your enemy even to the point of your own crucifixion and death
KnightofChrist Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 And by that logic NFP seeks to preclude a potential subset of a subset of unique individuals of the human race from existence. This is a specific subset that they want to deliberately block from existing. If I sought to specifically preclude a subset of black Americans from existing would I be a bigot? NFP used properly is always open to life coming into existence and it is not a contraceptive. So again your analogy is weak and fails. Your position stands on a misunderstanding of NFP or a twisting of its true nature. I would suspect the latter. Deliberately blocking, being closed to the creation of life, would be an improper and perverted use of NFP. If you or any one sought to deliberately exclude the coming into existence of an African American person that would be a bit bigoted yes, and it would not be a proper use of NFP.
Papist Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 Of course pro-life means being against abortion, assisted suicide, embryonic stem-cell research, human cloning, and any other practice that is an attack to the dignity of the human person. But being pro-life isn’t solely about being against things. Being pro-life means being for something; means loving God’s gift of life, and acting on that love.
4588686 Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 NFP used properly is always open to life coming into existence and it is not a contraceptive. So again your analogy is weak and fails. Your position stands on a misunderstanding of NFP or a twisting of its true nature. I would suspect the latter. Deliberately blocking, being closed to the creation of life, would be an improper and perverted use of NFP. If you or any one sought to deliberately exclude the coming into existence of an African American person that would be a bit bigoted yes, and it would not be a proper use of NFP. I thought that the point of NFP was to make it less likely for a couple to conceive?
KnightofChrist Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 I thought that the point of NFP was to make it less likely for a couple to conceive? A couple can choose when and when not to have intercourse. Intercourse can reslut in pregancy and creation of a new life. A couple praticing NFP properly in no way deliberately try and prevent a life from coming into existence during intercourse. A couple that is using actual contraception are trying to deliberately prevent a life from coming into existence during intercourse. I believe you know the difference, but whether or not you will openly admit it is another matter.
T-fish Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 Why waste money and time on poor kids whom God can save on His own? This troll doesn't even try. Yawn. Yeah, everyone who's not currently banging every fertile member of the opposite sex he/she can find is evil for not bringing new life into existence. Obviously, there's a difference between killing a human life that already exists and avoiding sexual activity that could conceive a new life, but then I'm stating the obvious. Hasan, your trolling skills have gotten rusty. Why didn't you quote Pope Francis' line? huh? It is up to Us to save the children that are born into this world. How many single women are rejected by the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church? How many foster kids live at your home? Get for real. I'm tired of seeing this baby picture on the back of catholics cars that say: Choose Life. It should say Choose Life and then don't come to our church.
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