Questionable Catholic Identity Of Seton Home Study School

[NotreDame]

I'm disturbed that there are those on here who are extremely protective of Seton and or the Baltimore Catechism. Neither are evil, but they are not beyond criticism.

 

Just because there are those of us who don't like certain aspects about them doesn't mean that we are condemning you or those who wrote their materials to Hell. We are merely saying that these materials could be improved.

I could be wrong, but this might be a Catholic vs. Catholic Debate which is against the regulations of Phatmass.

 

If they aren't beyond criticism, then it seems to follow that it's fair to debate the merit of that criticism, in which case I don't see any reason to be disturbed. 

 

If anybody's statements here are over the top, I'd say it's dells, because he/she keeps posting very pointed opinions in such a way that they are presented as objective facts....  Maybe it's just how he/she writes, because those opinions are quite valid if taken as opinions and by themselves don't seem extreme, just pointed.   In that light, IMO, other people are just responding in kind to Dell's criticism. 

 

I've found the whole thread interesting, fwiw, and hope it's not violating anything.

[Socrates]

I'm disturbed that there are those on here who are extremely protective of Seton and or the Baltimore Catechism. Neither are evil, but they are not beyond criticism.

Just because there are those of us who don't like certain aspects about them doesn't mean that we are condemning you or those who wrote their materials to Hell. We are merely saying that these materials could be improved.

I could be wrong, but this might be a Catholic vs. Catholic Debate which is against the regulations of Phatmass.

 

My issue is not that people are criticizing the Seton curriculum (I could offer criticisms of my own, albeit for different reasons).  

 

My issue is with Dells calling Seton "questionably Catholic," along with repeated accusations and insinuations that the people at Seton, as well as Anne Carroll, are somehow heretical or schismatic (when in fact they are not, but are quite orthodox).  I also found some of her other comments regarding Mrs. Carroll to be out of line.

 

Not liking Seton's material is a perfectly legitimate opinion (whether you agree with it or not), but falsely accusing the people behind it of being un-Catholic is wrong.

If defending them against such accusations disturbs you, too bad.

[Socrates]

Only this time we get a slightly more pedantic poo flinging. ;)

 

Beginning with the OP.

[arfink]

Quality.

 

:hotstuff:

[flowersofmary]

I am currently 7 months pregnant with our first child and have been looking into Catholic homeschooling programs because my husband and I are united on the fact that we will not send our kids to public schools or even Catholic schools, which teach liberalism, modernism, and heresy.

The person who made the original post actually greatly encouraged me to use Seton Home Study, and I wanted to offer a conservative and traditional voice for those faithful Catholics who adhere to doctrine and breathe a sigh of relief to see Seton's denial of modernist secular culture.

Evolution is a heresy. It was condemned by the Church in her wisdom because it directly opposes Divine Revelation and the account of creation history in Genesis. It also teaches people that since we are constantly evolving, it is okay for morals also to change. This undermines the wisdom of two thousand years of Church teaching and basically says that the early saints, apostles, and Christians got it all wrong. But Jesus is eternal and never-changing or evolving, and since He made the Church, He cannot be wrong. If you want more details about how the scam of evolution entered into schools and into modern thinking even for Catholics, there is a great interview on the John Henry Weston show on YouTube with Hugh Owen. Here is the link: 

I am greatly encouraged to see that Seton does not use texts that were written after Vatican II. If you want more information about all of the radical changes to liturgy that Vatican II introduced to the Church, the incredibly corrupt Bishops and Cardinals behind these changes, and how all of that is linked to the horrific decline in Mass attendance and disbelief in the real presence of the Eucharist, check out Infiltration by Dr. Taylor Marshall. 

From what I can tell, Seton is traditionally oriented, meaning it is simply authentic Catholicism. It appears that many naysayers are in line with the nouveau theologie modernists, which, by the way, is considered the ultimate heresy of the Church. It is so upsetting that since Vatican II, so many people have been led astray from true faith by the lies, distortions, and alterations made to the liturgy as well as the compromises so many Catholic leaders have made with modern secular culture.

Doctrine cannot change. If Seton is promoting a return to orthodoxy in Catholic teaching, I am so encouraged to see this and excited to use the program.

I hope these resources are helpful to others. God bless. 

[little2add]

I like seton 

http://students.bayleybulletin.com/latest/simon-wins-two-1st-prizes-open-dutch-championship?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=fb-achievement-simon-feb20&utm_campaign=fb-achievement-simon-feb20&fbclid=IwAR3LYE3MfNMD4q67fADYQY2MwC-VWiX0QZZzijopaZCmSAYXGiIOF3CjKjM

 

[little2add]

More than 240 primary schools in the UK have introduced [the] lessons as part of the All About Me sex education programme.”

“A teaching manual issued as part of the programme instructs children aged six to ten about ‘the rules of self-stimulation”

Public school can be very bad for children

LINK: https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/education/item/33508-sick-schools-six-year-olds-to-be-given-compulsory-self-stimulation-lessons 

[tinytherese]

On 2/19/2020 at 5:36 PM, flowersofmary said:

I am currently 7 months pregnant with our first child and have been looking into Catholic homeschooling programs because my husband and I are united on the fact that we will not send our kids to public schools or even Catholic schools, which teach liberalism, modernism, and heresy.

The person who made the original post actually greatly encouraged me to use Seton Home Study, and I wanted to offer a conservative and traditional voice for those faithful Catholics who adhere to doctrine and breathe a sigh of relief to see Seton's denial of modernist secular culture.

Evolution is a heresy. It was condemned by the Church in her wisdom because it directly opposes Divine Revelation and the account of creation history in Genesis. It also teaches people that since we are constantly evolving, it is okay for morals also to change. This undermines the wisdom of two thousand years of Church teaching and basically says that the early saints, apostles, and Christians got it all wrong. But Jesus is eternal and never-changing or evolving, and since He made the Church, He cannot be wrong. If you want more details about how the scam of evolution entered into schools and into modern thinking even for Catholics, there is a great interview on the John Henry Weston show on YouTube with Hugh Owen. Here is the link: 

I am greatly encouraged to see that Seton does not use texts that were written after Vatican II. If you want more information about all of the radical changes to liturgy that Vatican II introduced to the Church, the incredibly corrupt Bishops and Cardinals behind these changes, and how all of that is linked to the horrific decline in Mass attendance and disbelief in the real presence of the Eucharist, check out Infiltration by Dr. Taylor Marshall. 

From what I can tell, Seton is traditionally oriented, meaning it is simply authentic Catholicism. It appears that many naysayers are in line with the nouveau theologie modernists, which, by the way, is considered the ultimate heresy of the Church. It is so upsetting that since Vatican II, so many people have been led astray from true faith by the lies, distortions, and alterations made to the liturgy as well as the compromises so many Catholic leaders have made with modern secular culture.

Doctrine cannot change. If Seton is promoting a return to orthodoxy in Catholic teaching, I am so encouraged to see this and excited to use the program.

I hope these resources are helpful to others. God bless. 

Catholics are permitted to believe in evolution without cutting God out of creation. Pope Pius XII taught this in the 50s, before Vatican II even happened.

https://www.catholic.com/tract/adam-eve-and-evolution

Vatican II is not the problem. The problem is how it's been implemented by certain individuals. 

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/the-unfinished-business-of-vatican-ii

https://www.catholic.com/video/defending-vatican-ii 

[fides' Jack]

At this point, I believe it's sinful to send your kids to public school.  I realize in California there's a new law that says you can't homeschool unless you're grandfathered in...  How terrible...  For those in CA, time to move.  Better to find a low-paying job and live in poverty somewhere else than to keep your high-paying job in CA and keep your kids in school.

[cutenickname]

I don't trust the "catechetical" materials generally used in the Episcopal Church and am suspicious of just handing my kids over to people from "my tradition" to be taught God knows what. Our priest is good, but a lot of clergy in my denomination are thoroughgoing heretics (yeah I know you think we all are, but I mean heavy duty denial of basic doctrines of Mr. Lewis' Mere Christianity). 

Catholics have no idea how good they have it in terms of faith formation. My Catholic childhood taught me that God is Triune, Christ is fully divine and human, the Bible is the Word of God, and the Holy Spirit resides in the baptized Christian soul. My husband grew up in a church that claimed to be Trinitarian, but accidentally taught a kind of modalism regarding the Godhead, and that we as men and women are "trinities" (body, soul, and spirit vs the orthodox Christian understanding that we are a body and a spiritual soul) based on an overly literal reading of St Paul and being completely divorced from Church history.

I, a gay apostate Protestant heretic, know of no better tool for transmitting basic truths of the Christian faith to children than the Baltimore catechism; having said that, if you are using this or any other book exclusively to carry out the work of evangelizing/catechizing your children, you are doing them a radical disservice.

 

 

[PaxCordisJesu]

On 12/22/2013 at 12:10 AM, dells_of_bittersweet said:

Is anyone here familiar with the national Catholic home schooling group Seton Home Study School? I regret to say that I am a graduate. Academically, it is overall quite good (although I think they make some very poor choices in how they teach certain material-but that's another discussion). However, in some regards their high school curriculum reflects the opinions of the people who run the school rather than actual church teaching. For example:

 

1. Use of science textbooks printed by Abeka Books, printed by hardcore protestant fundamentalists. These state that evolution is a heresy and that all good Christians must believe in 6 day creationism. Furthermore, they are quite adamant that "theistic evolution" is unbiblical.

 

2. Use of economics and government textbooks printed by the same crazy people at Abeka. The economics textbook denies Catholic social teaching all over the place, and the lesson plans ignore the theological problems in it. The economics book has a libertarian outlook to it. The government text even has a big smiling picture of J. Strom Thurmond. 

 

3. Every single religion text was originally written prior to Vatican II. Purposefully ignoring a major church council should set off alarm bells. 

 

4. Several books expressly deny Vatican II's declaration on religious freedom. 

 

5. The religion text for senior year is written by someone without any formal theological training or credentials. 

As a (soon!) to be Seton graduate, I'll try answering from a student's perspective. Note: I have not read this entire thread, so I apologize if I repeat what others have already said.

1. Seton no longer uses Abeka books for science (at least I've never seen them). They now produce their own Catholic science textbooks. It's better to use Protestant science textbooks than secular surely? Anyway, in their lesson plans they include supplementary readings, which clarify, correct, or further look into certain topics. This is probably what they did when they used these books.

2. They now have their own Economics class, but their Government is still Abeka. Have yet to start it, so I can't really answer this. However, if it teaches anything that goes against Catholic teaching, then you can be sure that it will be addressed in the lesson plans.

3. Well, firstly, almost all the good religion books I've ever come across are pre-Vatican II, they're the only ones that actually teach anything! They just need to be slightly updated (change the dates of the feast days mentioned, fix the section that says cremation isn't allowed, etc.) Secondly, they're not ignoring Vatican II. Vatican II did not change dogmas, and since that's what religion books teach, what's the problem? And finally, Seton does use recently published religion books, including an excellent one on moral theology.

4. I don't know what books you're talking about, but in all the Seton books I've ever used anti-religious freedom is not an issue. In fact, I remember very clearly in my American History and American Literature classes that one of the reasons America became a refuge for Catholics was because of religious freedom, and that those same Catholics fought for religious freedom. It was from these two courses that I came to realize the importance of religious freedom. Trust me, any kid who goes through Seton will learn the same!

5. Seton has multiple religious courses to choose from, but all the ones I've used were either written by a priest (and I think all priests have degrees in theology, yes?) or by someone with a Ph.D in theology. And they all have the Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat.