Ice_nine Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 It's interesting the way people say they "have" depression/anxiety etc. I used to say that too but now the phrase strikes me funny for some reason. Almost as though we possess our illnesses. Or maybe they just become part of our identity, idk. Kind of an aside really . . .
OnlySunshine Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 It's interesting the way people say they "have" depression/anxiety etc. I used to say that too but now the phrase strikes me funny for some reason. Almost as though we possess our illnesses. Or maybe they just become part of our identity, idk. Kind of an aside really . . . I'd rather "have" it than it "have" me, if you know what I mean.
Selah Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 Polskieserce, would you be so kind as to pray for those of us with mental illnesses? God bless you.
Fidei Defensor Posted March 12, 2014 Author Posted March 12, 2014 St. Dymphna, patron saint of those suffering from mental illness, ora pro nobis!
polskieserce Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Polskieserce, would you be so kind as to pray for those of us with mental illnesses? God bless you. Already have for a while. God bless you too
Kia ora Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 It's interesting the way people say they "have" depression/anxiety etc. I used to say that too but now the phrase strikes me funny for some reason. Almost as though we possess our illnesses. Or maybe they just become part of our identity, idk. Kind of an aside really . . . how would you say it? i usually say depression is a part of me. not something i can expunge or embrace. prickly thorn in the flesh.
Fidei Defensor Posted March 12, 2014 Author Posted March 12, 2014 how would you say it? i usually say depression is a part of me. not something i can expunge or embrace. prickly thorn in the flesh. I usually say I have depression/mental illness. Though I can see using "afflicted by" in place of that, to emphasize the nature of illness and disease.
Selah Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 how would you say it? i usually say depression is a part of me. not something i can expunge or embrace. prickly thorn in the flesh. I have depression. It's an illness and it sucks. But it's good we live in a world where we can get help when we need it.
Fidei Defensor Posted March 12, 2014 Author Posted March 12, 2014 I have depression. It's an illness and it smells of elderberries. But it's good we live in a world where we can get help when we need it. Indeed it is. Granted, its still a struggle for me that zaps my energy every day.
Ice_nine Posted March 13, 2014 Posted March 13, 2014 yeah I guess you could say I am suffering with depression, or even I'm clinically depressed. Or you could call it your black dog or be more literary with it. I guess it's not really that interesting. I am on the other side of mental illness. (I was very fortunate in that the first medication I tried did the trick) so the phrasing seems off to me now but that's just probably an idiosyncratic thing. Thinking out loud I guess. forgive me!
oremus1 Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 http://christianpsych.org/wp_scp/wp-content/uploads/paul-vitz-therese-of-lisieux-from-the-perspective-of-attachment-theology-and-separation-anxiety.pdf This is an interesting psychological document examining the psychology of St Therese of Liseux, and how she was disordered, but entered religious life which healed her psychological issues
maximillion Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 Lets put it this way, I have no problems being friends with a person who has adhd/depression. But I would be VERY weary of spending the rest of my life in a relationship like that. Well then don't get married, because the statistics indicate there is every chance that your partner (or you) will suffer some kind of MI at some point. What are you going to do then, get divorced? In addition, there is every likelihood you are already in relationship with several people who you are unaware have MI. Because of stigma and unhelpful attitudes most people try to keep it hidden. If I was around you and knew you had this attitude I wouldn't exactly be rushing to tell you. This IMO is no different from saying 'I don't mind being friends with a black person but I wouldn't want to marry one'. None of us knows when we are going to be ill, none of us actively chooses this, and to make a statement saying one would not want to be in a relationship with someone like this indicates a pretty much pre-historic attitude and a lack of understanding as well as compassion. Oh, so you would be in relationship with my friend but not with me. Gee, thanks for the understanding.
oremus1 Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 Can I ask - psychological assessments of religious life are not always required, and only address the clinical psychological elements of psychiatry and psychology. But what about the emotional/psychological aspect - this is not assessed. So in the case of St Therese above, she woudl have been very emotionally/psychologically disturbed and discerning the rleigious life. One but know that they are free to vow the evangelical councils, and as St Therese had no mental illness, she would have passed the screening. but how would she (or others like that) know they are freely entering the religious life, and not as a result of their emotiuonal/psychological issues impeding them from entering the vocation of marriage? So like if there was a CV / nun candidate who had been abused as a child, with no mental illness or obvious problems, it is unlikely she would be screened out. but one cannot disregard that she might be emotionally imbalanced or fearful of matrimony. how can this be assessed? she obviously cannot see a secular counsellor as they will think vowing celibacy, poverty or even believeing in God is very crazy. Could this be addressed in the internal forum by her SD? I am also interested and concerned regarding the use of psychologists to bypass the correct protections around the internal forum
oremus1 Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 also, quite a few priests who will not SD anyone with mental history. (Just to be clear I have no mental issues or conditions, thank the Lord)
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) what is wrong with mental illness again? Great thinkers have helped establish the kingdom of God in there lives and the lives of others. Please consider/Respect. St Therese of liseux was a great thinker, so what? I was cured of my mental illness for about 6 years after returning to the bosom of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, but went back to my old ways, backslid, not fully back to my old ways therefore my mental illness is seemingly not as bad. Perhaps The way of st ignatious can be used here in respects to mental illnesses in that some receive that rod because of sin and some don't and sometimes a bit of both. Perhaps. It's not like i'm saying this is exactly how it is. Edited March 14, 2014 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) Ever heard of the term Divine Madness? I have heard it somewhere before but i can't remember where i heard it. P.s. I missed the though at the end of my previous post, made it sound weird. Edited March 14, 2014 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 also and sorry for the 3 posts in a row. I think there is a difference between mental illness and insanity.
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Well then don't get married, because the statistics indicate there is every chance that your partner (or you) will suffer some kind of MI at some point. What are you going to do then, get divorced? In addition, there is every likelihood you are already in relationship with several people who you are unaware have MI. Because of stigma and unhelpful attitudes most people try to keep it hidden. If I was around you and knew you had this attitude I wouldn't exactly be rushing to tell you. This IMO is no different from saying 'I don't mind being friends with a black person but I wouldn't want to marry one'. None of us knows when we are going to be ill, none of us actively chooses this, and to make a statement saying one would not want to be in a relationship with someone like this indicates a pretty much pre-historic attitude and a lack of understanding as well as compassion. Oh, so you would be in relationship with my friend but not with me. Gee, thanks for the understanding. Well, ol' polskie has said that before, too, so...
Ash Wednesday Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 I have had depression off and on and an anxiety disorder for about 20 years now. I've been married, happily even, for over 5 years now and our relationship is just as strong as it was on our wedding day, if not stronger. At times I lament how at times it weighs me down and robs me of my potential. But other times, it's been a gift, a cross I bear that has taught me compassion and has given me the chance to offer the sufferings for the sake of souls and everyone around me. It has also deepened my prayer life and has given me a lot of wisdom. No direct visions or contact with God, though. He knows I'd have too many questions.
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