Why Does The Church Oppose Magic And What Counts As Magic?

[mortify ii]

hm well. i guess this is why i'm not a catholic. i believe all salvation comes from christ and the church is the msytical body of christ. i however don't identify the catholic church as that body of christ, or indeed any particular one church as that body. i don't think other religions can be salvific. i think jesus is the only one who can save us. but i'd like to make another topic about this, as it's kinda off topic already.

 

Pretty consistent with Vatican II and the New Theology

[Basilisa Marie]

hm well. i guess this is why i'm not a catholic. i believe all salvation comes from christ and the church is the msytical body of christ. i however don't identify the catholic church as that body of christ, or indeed any particular one church as that body. i don't think other religions can be salvific. i think jesus is the only one who can save us. but i'd like to make another topic about this, as it's kinda off topic already.

 

i don't believe christ can only be found in christianity. i do believe that non-christians can come to christ, not because their religions are salvific, but because their religions may lead them - as christianity may also lead christians - to christ.

 

the way i understand salvation is here in matt 25 31-46:

 

 

consequently i believe even atheists can be saved. i've met some atheists who are more christ like than christians and i have hope that they will find rest in christ. to be christ like is to be like jesus, kenotically emptying himself out in love for the other person. truly that's what is being talked about in matthew.

 

We understand the fact that salvation comes from Christ to be something a like a scientific fact - on par with believing in the existence of gravity or that force equals mass times acceleration. It's just the way the world works. We believe that the Catholic Church is the church founded by Christ, contains the fullness of divine revelation, etc. But I think it's important to point out that we believe the Body of Christ isn't just the card-carrying practicing Catholics. We believed that you enter into the Body of Christ when you're baptized with water in the name of the Father, the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. I think it's an important distinction. It's also why some converts aren't re-baptized, just confirmed. 

In some ways, you're right - Catholics can believe that because salvation comes from Christ alone, and in so far as other religions are similar to Christianity, it's theoretically possible that God can use those religions to bring people to him. Again, it's not those religions that are salvific, but Christ and the Church. But the reason why that is even possible is because of Christ and that the Church exists. Karl Rahner talks about the idea of "anonymous Christians" - people who aren't Christians but are using their reason and conscience and honestly seeking the truth, some of whom can be saved, and that salvation does come from Christ. His ideas sound similar to what you might be getting at. The danger with it is to make sure we aren't supposing that the Church isn't necessary, or that all religions are equally good, or even that all Christian denominations are equally good. 

But yeah, definitely start a new topic on this! I'd love to go into it more with you. :)

Edited July 24, 2014 by Basilisa Marie

[Amppax]

We understand the fact that salvation comes from Christ to be something a like a scientific fact - on par with believing in the existence of gravity or that force equals mass times acceleration. It's just the way the world works. We believe that the Catholic Church is the church founded by Christ, contains the fullness of divine revelation, etc. But I think it's important to point out that we believe the Body of Christ isn't just the card-carrying practicing Catholics. We believed that you enter into the Body of Christ when you're baptized with water in the name of the Father, the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. I think it's an important distinction. It's also why some converts aren't re-baptized, just confirmed. 

In some ways, you're right - Catholics can believe that because salvation comes from Christ alone, and in so far as other religions are similar to Christianity, it's theoretically possible that God can use those religions to bring people to him. Again, it's not those religions that are salvific, but Christ and the Church. But the reason why that is even possible is because of Christ and that the Church exists. Karl Rahner talks about the idea of "anonymous Christians" - people who aren't Christians but are using their reason and conscience and honestly seeking the truth, some of whom can be saved, and that salvation does come from Christ. His ideas sound similar to what you might be getting at. The danger with it is to make sure we aren't supposing that the Church isn't necessary, or that all religions are equally good, or even that all Christian denominations are equally good. 

But yeah, definitely start a new topic on this! I'd love to go into it more with you. :)

 

This'll be fun. I'm down for this discussion. 

[little2add]

1 hour ago, Amy34 said:

Offering Spiritual Guidance for Relationship and Life Challenges ( ARCHMAGE SOLUTION TEMPLE)

is this guidence Catholic based?