VeraMaria Posted June 10, 2004 Posted June 10, 2004 oops, sorry ironmonk, we posted at the same time!
Brother Adam Posted June 10, 2004 Posted June 10, 2004 [quote]MORE *prone TO??* !! Like just WHEN is TORTURE warranted? More prone to....argh. I guess a LITTLE torture for those who WANT TO WORSHIP God without the Catholic Church is just fine. Argh.[/quote] Sacrificing infants to pagan gods usually lead to the death penalty during the inquisition when the Catholic Church held some political power.
the lumberjack Posted June 10, 2004 Posted June 10, 2004 ummm...I'm sorry, I didn't know that I had said ANYTHING that was even trying to prove a point... but thanks for reproving me before the thought crossed my mind. God bless.
Bruce S Posted June 10, 2004 Author Posted June 10, 2004 (edited) Iron, are you Torquemada reincarnated? [That might be why I have called you the IRON MAIDEN in times past?] Honestly, some days I think you just might be... I can't get over this one. People DEFENDING the Inquisition. Oh well, good thing we live in a Protestant nation I guess. Smooch. Edited June 10, 2004 by Bruce S
Livin_the_MASS Posted June 10, 2004 Posted June 10, 2004 [b]What is the point of this thread?[/b] Wooden Beam come at ya! And Bruce lets show a little more respect towards others instead of smooch
Aloysius Posted June 10, 2004 Posted June 10, 2004 Did you read my entire post? Did you see where I said the Church is held to a higher standard than the rest of the world, so even if it was a better system than every other system around at the time period (ESPECIALLY the protestant countrys' religious courts) we STILL SHOULD apologize, and that's exactly what we've done! Do you realize that they gave penances most of the time, that torture and execution was rare. EVEN THOUGH IT WAS RARE, HOWEVER, THE CHURCH IS CALLED TO A HIGHER STANDARD, we must apologize, it was dispicable that torture happened. So we are SORRY that men are sinful and men in the Church used the Church to further their agendas sometimes causing torture and murder. But the fact remains, the Inquisition Courts were a step in history towards FAIRER court systems. People blasphemed so they could escape the secular courts and be tried in the Inquisition courts.
Bruce S Posted June 10, 2004 Author Posted June 10, 2004 I don't know how to say SMOOCH in Latin Jason, sorry.
ironmonk Posted June 10, 2004 Posted June 10, 2004 [quote name='Bruce S' date='Jun 10 2004, 05:21 PM'] Iron, are you Torquemada reincarnated? [That might be why I have called you the IRON MAIDEN in times past?] Honestly, some days I think you just might be... I can't get over this one. People DEFENDING the Inquisition. Oh well, good thing we live in a Protestant nation I guess. Smooch. [/quote] No one is defending the killing of people. It was wrong that CIVIL governments killed people for what they believed. It was NOT the Catholic Church's fault... to say it was is to show ignorance. Why not read what was written and actually read the articles, you would see that NO ONE is defending the killing of people. Like I said... do you have any idea the way you make yourselves look when you don't read? It's a shame you don't know Christ, if you did, you would read the links, listen to both sides, and then make a decission, but you don't... you just judge what you don't know. -ironmonk
the lumberjack Posted June 10, 2004 Posted June 10, 2004 [quote]you just judge what you don't know.[/quote] looks like you're doing what you're accusing us of doing... I don't know Christ? you don't know me. but its all good...I still pray for you ironmonk. God bless.
Bruce S Posted June 10, 2004 Author Posted June 10, 2004 Sorry Iron, don't see anywhere where Jesus instructed turning over BELIEVERS to civil authorities for torture, murder, and confiscation of properties. I must have a different New Testament than you are using. Jhn 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jhn 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jhn 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jhn 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jhn 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jhn 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jhn 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another. What verses should I look to Iron for the SMITE your fellow Christian?
dUSt Posted June 10, 2004 Posted June 10, 2004 I'm closing this thread because my request for a summary of the point of this post was ignored. God bless.
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