Eilish Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 I know that I am new here, and that I haven't even completed RCIA yet, but after I left the Mormon church I have learned to live and let live, to not presume to make God's judgments. It is not up to me to decide for anyone else what they do with their lives. The fact that a medical study my son and I went through suggested strongly that a mother with a troubled pregnancy and sons prior may have very low testosterone levels during later pregnancies. I had no traces of testosterone during gestation when my youngest child, a boy, was born. This is only one theory. I saw evidence that my son was different at a very early age with 4 older brothers as his examples, I just couldn't figure out in what way. He was not ever treated differently, camped and fished, played baseball and joined the Boy Scouts but just had trouble fitting in. I wish the world were different, I wish we were all perfect, but I feel that we have no right to judge those who are different. We should feel grateful that we have the guidance of Pope Francis in our lives and emulate him. I think we should listen to him when he says "who am I to judge them?" I have many gay friends, and their lives are very difficult. They are very good people, and they cannot always help who they are. I know this, I have seen it, I understand that. My own youngest son said to me when I asked him, "Mom, who would choose this?" God created him the way he is, and what he needs to learn from it only God knows. He is a wonderful person, he does not act on his genetic difference, he is hard-working, he has a few friends but he does not make it known that he is gay. How lonely it must be for him! Maybe some choose it, who could understand why when the world is so cruel? I believe strongly in free will, what are we here for but to choose to follow Christ? We do not have the right to force anyone to live our beliefs. I do not have the right to judge, only God has that right and understanding. Who are we to legislate our beliefs and take away the rights of others? Their right to happiness? Government exists to give equal rights to all, and should have absolutely no bearing on any religion. Life has a funny way of humbling us when we least expect it. We should be happy and grateful for what we have, and have love and compassion for those who do not for whatever the reason. God loves us all equally. Christ was our living example of that love and forgiveness for us all.
Winchester Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 But people will want to marry their pets, and this will prevent our intestines from absorbing nutrition, and the entire human race will starve.
little2add Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 the government once recognized polygamy and slavery. that doesn't make it right. the government once outlawed abortion, too government is fickle
Winchester Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 the government once recognized polygamy and slavery. that doesn't make it right. the government once outlawed abortion, too government is fickle You're comparing violations of property rights (slavery and abortion) to a voluntary contract. You do not have the right to prevent people from marrying more than one person. Nor do you possess the right through the dark magicks of the ballot box to hire someone to do it for you.
pippo buono Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 An interesting perspective offered by Ryan Anderson in a talk. What's typed here is only a small portion of a bigger talk: The government should be invested in defending a correct definition of marriage because it is invested in a flourishing society. Having one father and one mother offers a complement that has statistically shown reduces poverty, delinquency and promiscuity, things that generally impede human flourishing. He offered the example of either a girl or a boy without a father. Statistically, the girl tends to a more promiscuous lifestyle, and the boy to delinquency. What's the reason behind this tendency? Fathers tend to transmit to girls a sense of dignity and value. When they don't have this figure, they seek value in promiscuity. For boys they teach true manhood, without which they tend towards delinquency. Thus besides the right of government to have a role in natural marriage, it is convenient that it should be for the sake of the society that it is trying to govern. In short, providing the ideal environment for children avoids many problems in the future.
Winchester Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Government is interested in maintaining its power, as is any other criminal syndicate. It is not benevolent. It is not angelic. It is a well dressed murderer. Nothing more.
Amppax Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Government is interested in maintaining its power, as is any other criminal syndicate. It is not benevolent. It is not angelic. It is a well dressed murderer. Nothing more. Ever get tired of typing the same thing over and one again?
Winchester Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Ever get tired of typing the same thing over and one again? I wonder why every inning of baseball features more baseball.
pippo buono Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 Government [...] is a well dressed murderer. Nothing more. All government is like that? What does it mean for the government to be a well dressed murderer? Is it just the system that is like that? But how can a system be so malevolent? Or do you mean the people involved in it? And are they all really "well dressed murderers" and "nothing more"?
Winchester Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 All government is like that? What does it mean for the government to be a well dressed murderer? Is it just the system that is like that? But how can a system be so malevolent? Or do you mean the people involved in it? And are they all really "well dressed murderers" and "nothing more"? It is based in initiation of violence. It is therefore inherently evil. Individuals within the government do good works. The government itself, like any other criminal enterprise, cannot become good by undertaking some good works. http://mises.org/sites/default/files/Anatomy%20of%20the%20State_3.pdf
pippo buono Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 It is based in initiation of violence. How so? Or do I have to read the book to find out?
Winchester Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 How so? Or do I have to read the book to find out? I don't know what it will take for you to see it. It took me a lot of reading and a lot of arguing. I finally had to abandon the fairy tale that government rules by consent.
superblue Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 seems like we are way over due for another revolution, aim it at the TSA, DHS, Department of Education, both political party big shots, I got a book some where with more to list, feel free to add more. would be a trip to see people from here on some militia websites.... Though militias are a weird thing, mainly operating for natural disasters since anything other than that would get them locked up just because. Would It be possible to ship major corrupt politicians, and the like to gitmo or would they have to be locked up in some club fed ?
Nihil Obstat Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 Those guys need to practice proper firearm safety. Holy crap. Makes me cringe and flinch.
Nihil Obstat Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 I am seeing at least two fingers in trigger guards, and one for sure, but as many as three guns pointed in extremely unsafe directions. Guy on the far right is guilty of both. Girl beside him might be. I mean, what is the point of a revolution if all the revolutionaries shoot each other in the head by mistake??
PhuturePriest Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) I am seeing at least two fingers in trigger guards, and one for sure, but as many as three guns pointed in extremely unsafe directions. Guy on the far right is guilty of both. Girl beside him might be. I mean, what is the point of a revolution if all the revolutionaries shoot each other in the head by mistake?? It's a simple matter of fact that if it hadn't been for Patrick Swayze (Depicted practicing proper firearm safety), that revolution would have been dead on arrival. Edited January 27, 2015 by PhuturePriest
pippo buono Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 I finally had to abandon the fairy tale that government rules by consent. You don't have to convince me of that. I don't think that that fairy tale has me. What I don't see is how that makes all governments evil. From what I can see, that takes a few more steps.
Winchester Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 You don't have to convince me of that. I don't think that that fairy tale has me. What I don't see is how that makes all governments evil. From what I can see, that takes a few more steps. If it's not by consent, then it's by force, and if it's by force, then it's no different from any other criminal act.
little2add Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Does the government have the right to rule on gay marriage? Yes Church and state? Yes Should the courts and politicians butt out of what we call a sacrament? Not possible Child custody, alimony, Child support issues are settled by the court/ Goverment For instance and are a necessary (evil) in today society Edited January 27, 2015 by little2add
Winchester Posted January 28, 2015 Posted January 28, 2015 Child custody, alimony, Child support issues are settled by the court/ Goverment For instance and are a necessary (evil) in today society http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration
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