vee Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 To console myself, I can also look at the nice banners from the Chartres pilgrimage. I saw a show about that, very impressed and edified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthfinder Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I saw a show about that, very impressed and edified. Several friends went, and I was green with religious envy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Okay so now we are back down to the usual 2 Minutes of Hate about "banners" and "people holding their arms in the air" wherever 2 or 3 traditionalists are gathered in My name, they will start complaining about the orans position and drums like they have not had the exact same conversation 5 million times before. This stuff is not my aesthetic style either but the Constipated Traditionalism is a bit much. For how many decades have people been moaning about felt banners?? And it worked, you will not see too many felt banners in PSR classes any more. What did that accomplish exactly. Notice the Mormons and other groups focused on evangelizing don't focus on this navel-gazing stuff. They take an Exlax and move on with the mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Mormons don't evangelize, they propagandize...huge difference... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Mormons don't evangelize, they propagandize...huge difference... They are still doing a better job that Catholics.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Now this thread needs to be moved to the Lame board... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 the bottom line is that the LifeTeen program was designed by a convicted pedophile that shows indications of being a grooming system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 this phorum I swear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Okay so now we are back down to the usual 2 Minutes of Hate about "banners" and "people holding their arms in the air" wherever 2 or 3 traditionalists are gathered in My name, they will start complaining about the orans position and drums like they have not had the exact same conversation 5 million times before. This stuff is not my aesthetic style either but the Constipated Traditionalism is a bit much. For how many decades have people been moaning about felt banners?? And it worked, you will not see too many felt banners in PSR classes any more. What did that accomplish exactly. Notice the Mormons and other groups focused on evangelizing don't focus on this navel-gazing stuff. They take an Exlax and move on with the mission. It does get tiresome that this stuff comes up over and over again... I bit my tongue when I saw the LifeTeen discussion come up yet again. I try to be patient in the crazy event that someone actually hasn't discussed these things before, but... yeah. The core issue isn't the felt banners, ugly churches or bad music. As much as those things DO matter and they do bother me, to me they are symptoms of deeper rooted problems. The biggest problem I see is that people really aren't taught the fullness of faith - the average Catholic is flat out stupid or told that such silly things like doctrine aren't REALLY binding, you can just do your own thing. That and mass gets treated like a 1 hour chore at best on Sunday, people don't live the faith with much heart or conviction. Combine that with corruption and abuse scandals in the Church and we're left with a faith that's a complete mess. But as you said we just have to keep moving. Edited June 18, 2015 by Ash Wednesday Because bacon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 the parents of and the victims of the pedophile(s) are not to blame or "flat out stupid" for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) the parents of and the victims of the pedophile(s) are not to blame or "flat out stupid" for that matter. Let there be no misunderstanding here -- I was NOT speaking of victims of abuse when I was discussing ignorant Catholics. When I mean "stupid" Catholics I mean the level of religious education the average Catholic has received by the time they reach Confirmation. I probably should clarify my previous post, when I described lack of quality religious education as being the biggest problem -- now giving it more thought, I find it difficult to quantify things like this, because it's also especially critical when members of the Church lack moral integrity and don't have a leg to stand on because they lose the trust of the faithful by failing to practice what they preach and protect their own -- and certainly, abuse would apply here. I suppose it all comes hand in hand and full circle -- in that truly "educating" people, it's not only preaching the fullness of truth, but also living it by example. Edited June 19, 2015 by Ash Wednesday I'm tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not A Mallard Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Somebody just propped one of my posts here, and that subsequent mini-thread made me laugh my head off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 On 6/13/2015, 6:35:58, PhuturePriest said: I am also in the Wichita diocese. Bishop Olmstead is a stellar Bishop. I am also in the Wichita diocese. Olmstead built a serious legacy of fidelity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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