Thy Geekdom Come Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 [quote]And we arent saying this play should be destroyed, it just has no place in Catholic schools. [/quote] I'm saying that it should be destroyed. All rights come from God. We have no right to sin or to be a party to sin. Therefore, this play has no right to exist.
crusader1234 Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 I disagree Micah, while the play is totally disgusting, it should not be destroyed - although I do have a large question as to where this play WOULD be appropriate. In any event, God gives us free will to sin, and we do have the freedom to be party to sin. Granted, that does not make it right.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 [quote]In any event, God gives us free will to sin, and we do have the freedom to be party to sin. Granted, that does not make it right. [/quote] Exactly. It is not a right to sin. The government should afford people no more and no less rights than God does. That is only justice.
crusader1234 Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 The last thing that world leaders need is a god complex!
BeenaBobba Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 Wow, who would have thought this thread would be five pages long?! Soldier4Him, I hope you weren't offended too much. I'm not against anyone helping women, but like I said, the ends don't justify the means. As a Catholic Christian, something such as sexual immorality is very dangerous, spiritually. While rape is absolutely horrible, there are no eternal consequences that resulted from the rape for the women who were raped. When one engages in sexual immorality and condones it (as is the case with this play), the people viewing the play could put their souls at risk -- and the consequences could be eternal. Yes, helping women in trouble is good, but not if it puts the eternal lives of others at risk. That is the worst thing of all. I agree that this play isn't actually showing the things it depicts, and thank God for that. But talking about sexually explicit stuff is still extremely sinful from a moral perspective. Talking about a sexual relationship with a child is extremely sinful (and sex with a minor is even illegal in some states). One doesn't have to be engaging in sexual acts to be sexually immoral or explicit. Like I said in a previous post, I can't help but wonder if these rape and crisis centers also support abortion. Let's face it: Many secular rape and crisis centers offer the "Morning After Pill" for rape victims, and this can act as an abortifacient, i.e., it could harm or kill the preborn embryonic child. Abortion is incredibly anti-women, and it kills children. Of course, this is exceedingly wrong. Thank you for being polite in your post. God bless, Jennifer
crusader1234 Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 Jen, not sure if you missed it, but we found out that the minor part involved a 13 year old and a 24 year old - which is illegal throughout North America. The end of that monologue had the 13 year old saying 'well if it was rape, it was a good rape'. I dont see how this helps women in any way shape or form - the more I find out about this play the more I question how much its actually helping [i]anyone[/i]. Peace, Rich
BeenaBobba Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 16 2004, 05:06 AM'] Jen, not sure if you missed it, but we found out that the minor part involved a 13 year old and a 24 year old - which is illegal throughout North America. The end of that monologue had the 13 year old saying 'well if it was rape, it was a good rape'. I dont see how this helps women in any way shape or form - the more I find out about this play the more I question how much its actually helping [i]anyone[/i]. Peace, Rich [/quote] I hear you, Rich. The fact that it involves a 13-year-old makes me think even worse of this play, and you know I've despised it from the get-go. It's explicit and mortally sinful. God bless, Jen
crusader1234 Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 Maybe somewhere out there there is a play about domestic and sexual abuse that does a good job of portraying it. Then again, that probably wouldnt get any media attention because it is 'good' rather than controversial.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 [quote] The last thing that world leaders need is a god complex! [/quote] That is what the world already has. Our leaders aren't humble, they're proud and they think they have all the authority in the world to do what they want. What the world needs most is legislators who follow God's law in making theirs.
Soldier4Him Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 Wow. I'm bowing out of this arguement. I don't want to be offensive, and I'm bowing out now so I won't be. Thanks everyone.
Apollo Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 I think that if the title of this play didn't have the word "Vagina" in it, then nobody would be talking about it right now.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 [quote] I think that if the title of this play didn't have the word "Vagina" in it, then nobody would be talking about it right now. [/quote] Actually, I think it's the word "monologues"...
curtins Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 16 2004, 03:06 AM'] Jen, not sure if you missed it, but we found out that the minor part involved a 13 year old and a 24 year old - which is illegal throughout North America. The end of that monologue had the 13 year old saying 'well if it was rape, it was a good rape'. I dont see how this helps women in any way shape or form - the more I find out about this play the more I question how much its actually helping [i]anyone[/i]. Peace, Rich [/quote] [b][color=red]The end of that monologue had the 13 year old saying 'well if it was rape, it was a good rape'.[/color][/b] That disgusts me- IM THIRTEEN!!!!! AND THAT ABSOLUTLY DISGUSTS ME!!!!!!!!! sorry but I absolutly HATE the way our culture misuses sex like this as someone said before, the play should be banned at all Catholic Colleges-and I say everywhere else. I read somewhere that it was being performed at a public middle school- which again disgusts me. and parents didnt mind they thought it was funny. UGH!!! :angry:
crusader1234 Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 wow im pretty sure this is the first time a dicussion with two sides has ended so well.
thicke Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 16 2004, 07:42 PM'] wow im pretty sure this is the first time a dicussion with two sides has ended so well. [/quote] We have to be nice...There's no more Back Alley....
popestpiusx Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 [quote name='Soldier4Him' date='Jun 16 2004, 03:02 PM'] Wow. I'm bowing out of this arguement. I don't want to be offensive, and I'm bowing out now so I won't be. Thanks everyone. [/quote] Offending [u]people[/u] is the least of your concerns if you support anything remotely close to that play.
BeenaBobba Posted June 18, 2004 Posted June 18, 2004 [quote name='Apollo' date='Jun 16 2004, 09:18 PM'] I think that if the title of this play didn't have the word "Vagina" in it, then nobody would be talking about it right now. [/quote] Hi Apollo, I doubt that. I have no problem with the word vagina. It's just the name for a certain part of the female anatomy; it's just a medical term. I don't think that this has anything to do with Catholic dislike of the play. Any orthodox Catholic would have serious problems with [i]American Pie[/i], and this movie doesn't say vagina nearly as much as "The Vagina Monologues." God bless, Jen
BeenaBobba Posted June 18, 2004 Posted June 18, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 16 2004, 09:42 PM'] wow im pretty sure this is the first time a dicussion with two sides has ended so well. [/quote] I agree. It did go pretty well. God bless, Jen
Apollo Posted June 18, 2004 Posted June 18, 2004 [quote]QUOTE (Apollo @ Jun 16 2004, 09:18 PM) I think that if the title of this play didn't have the word "Vagina" in it, then nobody would be talking about it right now. Hi Apollo, I doubt that. I have no problem with the word vagina. It's just the name for a certain part of the female anatomy; it's just a medical term. I don't think that this has anything to do with Catholic dislike of the play. Any orthodox Catholic would have serious problems with American Pie, and this movie doesn't say vagina nearly as much as "The Vagina Monologues." God bless, Jen [/quote] Hi Jen, I just meant in general. People in general. The title is an attention getter, and it draws people in. It was also supposed to be a joke...but I guess it wasn't very funny. Peace and Love, Apollo
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