ironmonk Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 Have you noticed how popular it is to be anti-Catholic? As a Catholic; if you're in england, you can't run for office, wherever you are - the media is always trying to trash you, people who claim to love Christ call you idoltor, unChristian, papist, etc... Have you noticed how so many people are proud of the diversity of the protestant faiths? What did Christ and the Apostles teach about One Faith and Unity? Can someone please show me where they said to divide? God Bless, ironmonk
DojoGrant Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 Lumberjack, You are running with Bruce's word "popularity," as if it was stated by a Catholic. It was not, and Bruce fundamentally mistook the intention of the poster.
Budge Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 I get tired of the praise of unity when its always unity at the expense of truth. I think Malachi Martin figured out a lot of what was going on. [url="http://starharbor.com/fr_martin/index1.html"]http://starharbor.com/fr_martin/index1.html[/url] He may have been wrong about what the Catholic Church really was but he defenitely stood up against the evils and for that he is worthy of respect. I beleive Trads who stand for Christ only against the universalism very well could be among the wheat of the church--those who refuse the AntiChrist. I pray God brings them into full truth, but at least the faith in Christ is there will they will not refuse Him for other gods. I think Malachi Martin was a prophet when he wrote [i]Windswept House.[/i] He spoke of homosexual cults that were related to sex abuse. Deviant lifestyles are related to cultic activity. Windswept House was published LONG before the sex scandals broke and obvious cults have been found--Ive seen Catholics talking about the ones in Albany and other places. Malachi Martin knew that the corruption in the Catholic Church was going to come from the top. I think he is right about the Satanic activity. He also was going to write a last book, before he got killed that was supposed to be about the Catholic church's collusion with the New World Order. The Pope right now barely believes in hell. Many modern Theologians, Catholics and Protestants deny that hell is a real and actual place.
the lumberjack Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 [quote name='musturde' date='Jun 16 2004, 12:31 PM'] lumberjack... are u soon2b cath ? [/quote] I AM a catholic.
Guest JeffCR07 Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 (edited) Budge, the Holy Father DEFINATELY believes in Hell. He [Edit] performed 3 exorcisms, lol. How can you perform an exorcism and not believe in Hell? [color=red][Edited by Ice Princess: please see pinned topic on "offensive language".][/color] Edited June 16, 2004 by IcePrincessKRS
Paladin D Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 [quote name='ironmonk' date='Jun 16 2004, 02:50 PM'] As a Catholic; if you're in england, you can't run for office [/quote] Is this an actual law?
Budge Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 (edited) One of his exorcisms was reported as FAILING. [quote]Pope performs exorcism on raging teen-age girl By JOHN NORTON, Catholic News Service (from THE RECORD. Louisville, KY) [b]Pope John Paul II performed an impromptu exorcism on a teen-age girl who flew into a possessed rage at the end of an audience in St. Peter's Square, said the chief exorcist for the Diocese of Rome. Rome's exorcist, Pauline Father Gabriele Amorth, said Sept. 11 that the pope spent more than half an hour praying over the girl and ordering a demon to leave her, but[u] failed to fully cure her[/u].[/b] The girl, identified as a 19 year-old Italian with a history of possession, was in the front row at the pope's weekly general audience Sept. 6. As the pope prepared to leave, she began screaming incomprehensibly and speaking in a "cavernous voice," Father Amorth said. As security personnel struggled to restrain her "superhuman" efforts to break free, Bishop Gianni Danzi, a top Vatican City official, alerted the pope. In an area away from the square, the pope hugged this poor little girl, tried to console her, and promised that the next day, Thursday morning, he would celebrate his Mass for her," Father Amorth said. Father Amorth was not present at the papal exorcism, but said he had performed an exorcism on the girl the previous day. Father Amorth said that after the girl met with the pope, Bishop Danzi and he performed another exorcism that lasted for two hours. During that exorcism, the priest said, the demon mocked the pope, saying, "Not even your (church) head can send me away." "This is a case where the possession is very, very strong," said Father Amorth, founder and president of the International Association of Exorcists. "From what can be foreseen by us exorcists, it will take years of exorcisms" for the girl to be fully cured, he said. The pope did not perform a full ritual exorcism, but Father Amorth said that ritual elements make only "the slightest difference" to an exorcism's effectiveness. "Many, many exorcists don't do the ritual exorcism, but limit themselves to praying and to ordering the demon to go," he said. Father Amorth said the girl has been possessed since she was 12 years old and was sent to him for consultation by the exorcist of the Archdiocese of Milan, who had never dealt with such a severe case. Bishop Danzi was unavailable to comment, his secretary told Catholic News Service. The Vatican's press office also declined comment. Pope John Paul reportedly has carried out at least two other exorcisms in the Vatican: one in 1978 and one in 1982.[/quote] [b]They had to get out the spin doctors to help cover that one up[/b] [url="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/vatican000911.html"]http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/Daily...ican000911.html[/url] [quote]Comforting the Afflicted Pope John Paul II Soothes Distraught Woman; Vatican Refuses to Call It an Exorcism By Ann Wise R O M E, Sept. 12 — Pope John Paul II blessed and comforted a distraught young woman who created a disturbance in St. Peter’s Square, the Vatican said,[b] but it refused to characterize the encounter as an exorcism.[/b][/quote] Was Armoth lying in the above? Edited June 16, 2004 by Budge
Guest JeffCR07 Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 No he wasn't. The vast majority of people consider a true exorcism to be a full series of ritual exorcisms over an appropriate period of time. The Holy Father did not do that, seeing as it was not the proper setting, nor was there proper time to prepare. What he did was localized part of a ritual exorcism. So who's right? Well, they both are, technically. Did the Holy Father preform an incomplete exorcism? Yes. Did he perform an official, ritualized exorcism? No Also, how does that article prove that the Pope doesn't believe in Hell?
Archbishop 10-K Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 The first article quotes a primary source, straight from the horse's mouth, and gives names. The second article simply says "the Vatican" refused to call something an exorcism. The second article is from ABC News. Isn't that the same group that showed that blasphemous program on Christ and St. Paul? I'll accredit the first source.
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 JPII doesn't believe in Satan? Give me a break. The same Fr. Armoth we are talking about here told the Pope that he knew of Bishops who didn't believe the devil existed. He replied that not believing in Satan was to be ignorant of the Gospel.
Hananiah Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 John Paul II definitely believes in hell and Satan. He's no Honorius. His problem isn't so much his theological orthodoxy, but rather his excessive tolerance of heterodoxy in his subordinates.
Mary's Knight, La Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 i dont know if the problem is that too many catholics don't believe in Hell or dont want to seem ignorant or offensive but I could do with some old fashioned fire and brimstone in homilies. it's very easy to keep your mind on eternity when you hear about it quite energetically once a week
Archbishop 10-K Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ In reply to Mary's Knight, YES. AMEN. I think that, for one, we need to have more Fr Corapi's.
MC Just Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Jun 16 2004, 01:09 PM'] AMEN!!! I'm not here to be popular... and by "here" I mean earth. I'm here to proclaim Christ to every person I meet...to learn, to love, to live... for Christ. and as I said, I'll MORE than willingly be a martyr for Christ. [/quote] Yeah everything for Christ and... Bashing the Catholic Church.. :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
MartinLuther Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 QUOTE (ironmonk @ Jun 16 2004, 02:50 PM) As a Catholic; if you're in england, you can't run for office No thats not true. Catholics cannot become King or Queen of England, but they can stand for Parliament. It might have been true 200 or 300 years ago, but not now. Its amazing how little you Americans know about the rest of the world. And you elect the man whose decisions shape the world. The previous leader of the Opposition Conservative Party is a Catholic. Several recent Secretaries of State for Northern Ireland - a cabinet position that is held by a member of Parliament - have been Catholic (much to Ian Paisley's regret).
yiannii Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 [quote name='Paladin D' date='Jun 17 2004, 03:57 AM'] The problem with Christianity in general is that we're pushing the teachings of Hell, Satan, and demons into a dark corner. [/quote] I guess people are scared to over do the satan/devil/sin thing.
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