Half Of Priest And Bishops Are Gay

[Nihil Obstat]

Josh, the plural of priest is priests.

[Benedictus]

3 hours ago, Josh said:

 

That's my understanding. Is it dogma homosexuals can't be Priest? Or just a discipline?

Nope, not dogma. Those with a homosexual orientation can become priests as long as they aren't in a position where that orientation is causing them conflict, concern or psychological issues that would prevent them being admitted. Those with deep seated issues would be put off. That, at least in part, is true of anyone wanting to be a priest and forms part of the psychological evaluation and SD report. Such matters are also addressed by ongoing formation on matters of celibacy and sexuality. It's actually important that there isn't an outright ban, partly because there's no good reason to do so but also to encourage honesty and an environment of pastoral engagement. Celibates, regardless of orientation, should be celebrated for their calling and offering of themselves to the Church.

 

[superblue]

21 hours ago, Peace said:

I don't think the Church has said that.

I can't spoon feed you an your buds on this, and kudos again as you are right it is not written in stone, it is the double standards, and major props for only focusing on that tiny portion, it is as if people only read responses to only find spelling errors and can't read between the lines.

If you want to be very critical to the point of insanity or stupidity which ever suits you; then there should be nothing other than then Ten Commandments that the Catholic Church goes by, no amendments , no  commentary , nothing as far as rules goes. An to go another step further, the actual  written language of the Ten Commandments with the understanding of what that language at that time meant; not the translated universal English version.

You can't dissect sin and label one worse than another in the eyes of God.  Though maybe there is a spin off debate in the works of what constitutes one as being a homosexual, does one need to have sexual intercourse with another person to be a homosexual, since this is the idiocy we are now getting at. It is okay for the Church to say no to a homosexual sexual relationship and marriage, though it is okay to only be attracted to the same sex as long as you don't have what we will now label as deep seated tendencies, which is about as vague as we can get. ......That would be like saying well, it is okay to be attracted to animals, or to want date people that are underage , or to be a racist , as long as you don't actually practice those attractions and are not " deeply seated in those tendencies " or as long as we don't know about it or find out about it.  Which we mine as well look at Matthew 5:28  and figure out of if Christ was only speaking figuratively about our thoughts, desires, " deep seated tendencies " vs our actions....

[Nihil Obstat]

4 hours ago, superblue said:

You can't dissect sin and label one worse than another in the eyes of God.  

Some sins are obviously and self-evidently worse than others.

[superblue]

43 minutes ago, Nihil Obstat said:

Some sins are obviously and self-evidently worse than others.

yeah we all know about mortal and venial sins, but that is something the Church invented , God has not dictated verbatim which sins He judges worse than others; stealing is stealing, killing is killing,  so it isn't as if I just had a half thought and tossed it out there. The Ten Commandments are black and white. Just because humanity invented this idea of mortal and venial sins doesn't mean humanity is right.  So to say well yes we can dissect homosexuality and determine which is obviously and self-evidently worse with in that realm of acceptance isn't possible. Humanity doesn't judge the way God does. And creating mortal and venial sins is just to justify our own actions and create the ability to say well if we do this, then God will forgive us if we do that. Christ never said only worry about repenting of certain sins, because some are obviously and self-evidently worse than others. Also that doesn't mean we need to be scrupulous or have anxiety over our sins either because Christ already died for and broke those barriers. Check that. I stayed on topic and spoon fed an answer to a singular observation of a larger point.

Also; I could honestly careless if  there was solid proof that half of the Church's Priests and Bishops are homosexual, I would merely find it sad that it took someone else to bring it to light and to try and spin that as being some major gotcha stab in the face of the Church, when the Church could have easily of made this issue clear instead of treating homosexuality and having homosexual clergy as some kind of taboo disease.

Edited January 17, 2016 by superblue

[Nihil Obstat]

Not a very Catholic position to take, to be blunt.

[superblue]

3 minutes ago, Nihil Obstat said:

Not a very Catholic position to take, to be blunt.

to be even blunter,I don't care what you THINK is the correct measure of being Catholic or having a " Catholic position" . But just as soon as I do I promise I will let you know.

[Guest]

Homosexual fornication is a worse sin according to the Bible.

[Nihil Obstat]

12 minutes ago, superblue said:

to be even blunter,I don't care what you THINK is the correct measure of being Catholic or having a " Catholic position" . But just as soon as I do I promise I will let you know.

I also do not care what I think. I care what the Church teaches. And it is certainly not what you have just expressed here in this thread.

[superblue]

45 minutes ago, Josh said:

Homosexual fornication is a worse sin according to the Bible.

I really do loath responding to you,  "according  to the bible" is so far off course in thinking, you have to consider who is doing the writing and from what perspective and who said what about what. What you will find in the bible on this subject are/is opinion(s) by saint(s), and commentary that explains that some things in the context of scripture in the bible were considered self explanatory such as homosexuality not being accepted by Hebrews/ Jewish people/ or more accurately Israelites. An this is as far as I am going to correspond with you directly on this topic and enjoy resting in my ignore list once again.

43 minutes ago, Nihil Obstat said:

I also do not care what I think. I care what the Church teaches. And it is certainly not what you have just expressed here in this thread.

You should of just said you are a church militant  and there fore you are right and I am wrong, it would have made your ego that much more important to you. What I have expressed is called an OPINION amazingly a lot of people have one, being brain dead to everything that is ever written down and not thinking or good grief having critical thinking; doesn't automatically make what is written down morally or even historically correct or wrong. You want to start a debate on my opinions go for it, then you and the other church militants can point out how right you all are and how wrong I am and give each other gold stars. I at least kept the topic on track for a little bit. To insinuate that if one has an opinion outside of what this " church teaching " you and other " church militants and theologians " love to pin their intellect on; some how makes one a lesser catholic, then gather up  as many of your like minded kin that you can because you are going to find so many clergy and lay people who are so unworthy of being in your presence let alone in your very own congregation and make sure to lynch the homosexual community as well in the process and then everyone will finally know how awesomely holy you are. It has to be a great feeling to be able to wake up and know that you are in lock and step with " church teaching". Good luck beating that into the homosexual community to try and convince them that they need to assimilate or else. That is all as it comes across as.  You can't formulate anything else other than to say " church teaching " as if it is the end all answer to a DEBATE. If it wasn't a debate it would be called Church Teaching. Start a thread called Church Teaching and just put an end to debates altogether. But don't try and insinuate that my opinion is wrong or that I am a lesser catholic than you because you are stuck on a self appointed title that carries jack squat in any sense of reality.

Here is your reply,

 

I wasn't trying to insinuate anything, yada yada yada,, tee hee hee hee,

and my reply to your reply,

you are on my ignore list along with plenty others, you can put that as a pin on your lapel of amesomeness; as well enjoy your last comment to me on this subject and then ask for props for that comment because you won't get anymore responses from me on this topic or your comments towards me, I merely decided to engage you because I was bored and I admit I was a tad exhausted with knuckle draggers needing every little sentence clarified because they can not piece together the gaps. I am only letting you know you are on my ignore list so you are not waiting for a response or just assumed you wore me out in the debate. But for the record you are getting the last word; so make it count.

Edited January 17, 2016 by superblue

[Guest]

@superblue Don't then nothing you say makes sense anyhow. I can only imagine what you are like in real life. In the words of Donald Trump I'm guessing a "Big Loser".

Edited January 17, 2016 by Guest

[Nihil Obstat]

For heaven's sake. I am not about to waste my time on that.

[Guest]

On 1/15/2016 9:47:50, Nihil Obstat said:

Josh, the plural of priest is priests.

Thanks for pointing this out. I've been trying to improve my grammar and have post that are at least half readable. I refuse to have post that are similar to @superblue's and impossible to even read. I along with @Tab am working on improving spelling and grammar. It's important.

Edited January 17, 2016 by Guest

[Nihil Obstat]

Excellent. Thanks for taking that as intended.

[Benedictus]

13 hours ago, Josh said:

Homosexual fornication is a worse sin according to the Bible.

The Bible is dubious on such points. Some have been of that view as a theological analysis though, especially in terms of the theology of the body, but I can't see it's really helpful. I mean how is thinking homosexual activity is more of a sin helping most of the population, aside from making them feel less bad about their own sins? There's enough countries where Christians focus on the activity of a small minority and ignore bigger problems and suffering (abuses) going on. A mortal sin is a mortal sin, regardless of what it is, and it's not always clear this has occured. That's an issue for God, the person and their confessor to work out.

There have been those who have said rape was better than masturbation too So I wouldn't run to the automatic solace of the writers of old blindly. I get the reasoning, as a cold analysis of function, but it's still whack when you look at it in the hiercharchy of what would rationally be worse.

In term of SPG. I wish there was a spell check on here (maybe I just haven't found it. I don't bother with copying from word to here anymore, but maybe it'd be a good idea to do if someone makes a long post and isn't lazy (or a perfectionist).

[superblue]

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=south+park+pastor+phillip+sermon&view=detail&mid=08C660C4D4A536D5356E08C660C4D4A536D5356E&FORM=VIRE1

 

South Park does a great job at showing the irony in real life. So someone post an update will ya when leaders at the Vatican finally start prosecuting the criminals of the sex abuse scandal , each and everyone of them. An starts making things right, and stops the double standards.

Edited January 21, 2016 by superblue

[little2add]

52 minutes ago, superblue said:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=south+park+pastor+phillip+sermon&view=detail&mid=08C660C4D4A536D5356E08C660C4D4A536D5356E&FORM=VIRE1

 

South Park does a great job at showing the irony in real life. So someone post an update will ya when leaders at the Vatican finally start prosecuting the criminals of the sex abuse scandal , each and everyone of them. An starts making things right, and stops the double standards.

shame on you, blue

your nasty little southpark  reference and commentary about the priesthood is sick.   Let me ask you something, if you don't mind: Do you Believe in the sacrament of holy orders? 

 

[superblue]

38 minutes ago, little2add said:

shame on you, blue

your nasty little southpark  reference and commentary about the priesthood is sick.   Let me ask you something, if you don't mind: Do you Believe in the sacrament of holy orders? 

 

sick ? it was hilarious, and true, it isn't my fault that you can't see the irony in it. If anything I would agree with, it is crude. But there are a lot of priests out there who are just like that reference, and this is exactly what the church wants us to think, that we can just pray the gay away. an in turn that hilarious death scene at the end, is sadly what the outside world does, they get so bloody sick of the double  

standards that the church holds towards homosexuals, and confuses the homosexual community to the point that they do not even want to try to even be apart of the church.  An why should I even answer you, you are obviously just trying to set me up, so just go ahead and say what you wana say. Shame on me ? Shame on the church leaders for not hunting down every sick clerical pedophile and bishop and cardinal who covered everything up, and not put them on trial and merely just hoped to pray everything away and run out the statute of limitations around the globe or at least here in the USA, and shame on the church leaders for still refusing to defrock those bishops, and cardinals who are still living large and scott free from their actions in the matter.

South Park is amesome, you just wana be PC

so here ya go

plus fyi I only posted that last link because it has a thingie ya gota enter your age that says you are not a child and can stomach south park in the first place, this one isn't nearly as crass, but just shows what you an the rest of the pc world are like.

My commentary on this thread is spot on, don't hate appreciate, I just say it in a crass way to aggravate most of you hear because yall are pozers and smell.  I think it says Sh**, for the fragile viewers, look if you are under 13 and over 50 just don't ever watch south park. ever.

Edited January 21, 2016 by superblue

[little2add]

[Nihil Obstat]

Superblue, you sound unwell. Have you talked to anyone about your mental health? I mean that with all sincerity.