the lumberjack Posted June 21, 2004 Author Posted June 21, 2004 and dems is da breaks, no? ya win some, ya lose some... and as for my sig, let me update it for you...thats what I meant. God bless.
Justified Saint Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 We all know what you mean Lumber. Sorting through your misdirections and claims of charity aren't that tough.
the lumberjack Posted June 21, 2004 Author Posted June 21, 2004 [quote name='jasJis' date='Jun 21 2004, 11:56 AM'] [b][color=red]I'm with Lumberjack on this one. It's enough to let us know who isn't Catholic, but I despise the red letter spiritual warning and find it repugnant.[/color][/b] [/quote] be careful jas, or you just might get your own pretty little title. I'm sure that since you're a Catholic, a different color might be chosen for you, something just as bold....like Electric Pea Soup [color=green]GREEN[/color]!!!! or something anyways. but hey, just like you're a church faithful, I'm a danger... so it goes... and the beat goes on....the beat goes on....la da da da dee....la da da da. Christ first.
the lumberjack Posted June 21, 2004 Author Posted June 21, 2004 [quote name='Justified Saint' date='Jun 21 2004, 12:00 PM'] Sorting through your misdirections and claims of charity aren't that tough. [/quote] unlike the Ocean of Paperwork that the Catholic Church floats on like the Titanic, eh? oh well... I still love you all, though no one might believe me.
Aloysius Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 i think it's funny :rotfl: i don't think anyone should get offended by it, it's just one of those cool things. like if dUSt had been able to change "warnings levels" to "sin levels", it would've been a cool lil thing adding to the flavor of PhatMass. Would you have gotten mad and been like "hey, the mods can't determine my level of sin!" no, you'd have just laughed and been like, what a cool little PhatMass gimick. it's just a cool PhatMass gimick in my book pAx
Archbishop 10-K Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 I think a non-Catholic label is good, but the "spiritual warning" part is a bit out of hand. It suggests we don't have enough faith (but Protestants do this also, so this is not a new invention.) As for lumberjack's sig, I think it's a bit egotistical to call yourself a saint, even though you may not believe in the communion or intercession of saints. I say this because the general opposite of "saint" is "sinner", and we must all admit humbly that we are sinners. Although the New Testament calls living people "saints", it wasn't a self-appointed title.
Aloysius Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 no one needs to look through all that paperwork to know what the Church teaches, it's a lot simpler than everyone on the outside lookin in thinks it is. and [quote]If the Catholic Church is THE church founded by Christ, I'm bloody Mary Poppins.[/quote] that's true, if the Roman Catholic Church is THE ONLY Church founded by Christ, you're Mary Poppins and I'm the tooth fairy! I mean come one, He founded the Maronite Catholic Church, the Ukranian Catholic Church, the Byzantine Catholic Church, and all that! lol gotchya there remember, Protestants named us the "Roman Catholic Church", all we named ourselves was "The Christian Church" and "The Catholic Church" pAx
jasJis Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Jun 21 2004, 01:05 PM'] unlike the Ocean of Paperwork that the Catholic Church floats on like the Titanic, eh? oh well... I still love you all, though no one might believe me. [/quote] lumberjack, I say what I believe, and accept whatever chastisement dUSt wishes to dish out. I've known him long enough that he's very fair and am surprised and disappointed about the red letters. I have a strong love for non-Catholics, because even though I am a cradle Catholic, non-Catholics have played a significant role in my embracing Christianity seriously which in turn, re-led me back to embrace Catholicism. It is all about God, and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Yes, Christ is first, but He leads us to the Father in a relationship that is as intimate as our breath. That depth of Grace is what we all should be pursuing. The "Ocean of Paperwork" was created solely because people questioned and asked for documentation throughout history. All Biblical understanding isn't limited to the Bible either. Use the same fair logic.
the lumberjack Posted June 21, 2004 Author Posted June 21, 2004 [quote name='Archbishop 10-K' date='Jun 21 2004, 12:11 PM'] As for lumberjack's sig, I think it's a bit egotistical to call yourself a saint, even though you may not believe in the communion or intercession of saints. I say this because the general opposite of "saint" is "sinner", and we must all admit humbly that we are sinners. Although the New Testament calls living people "saints", it wasn't a self-appointed title. [/quote] and if the NT calls living Christians saints, then WE, by that definition are saints... are we not? I admit that I am a sinner, but the Lord has changed me and lives in me now...and thus I have been changed from damned sinner to sanctified saint. not that I invincible to sin, but that the Lord is guiding me to do His work. and Al...the more I think about it, the more I don't know to think its so cool any more. but oh well, I'm honored nonetheless.
Archbishop 10-K Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 [quote]and if the NT calls living Christians saints, then WE, by that definition are saints...[/quote] That's using the same logic as justifying calling yourself "perfect" because someone else said you were.
BeenaBobba Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 Hi the lumberjack, I don't think you're a threat to well-educated Catholics, but there's no assurance that all the Catholics (or those wishing to convert to Catholicism, for example) who visit the phorums will be well-educated and well-versed in Catholicism. They're still learning, and we don't want them to get lead astray. I don't think the red warning is a big deal. You seem to think of it as a badge of honor. LOL. Like Al, I think it's just a cool phatmass gimmick that shouldn't be too offensive. God bless, Jennifer
Justified Saint Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 [quote]unlike the Ocean of Paperwork that the Catholic Church floats on like the Titanic, eh?[/quote] Yeah, stuff like that is what I am talking about. But hey, the beat goes like you said. You play your instrument and I'll play mine.
Justified Saint Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 [quote]I don't think you're a threat to well-educated Catholics[/quote] That is for darn sure.
the lumberjack Posted June 21, 2004 Author Posted June 21, 2004 [quote name='Archbishop 10-K' date='Jun 21 2004, 12:26 PM'] That's using the same logic as justifying calling yourself "perfect" because someone else said you were. [/quote] if that "someone else" is the APOSTLE Paul...hmmm... who am I going to believe? and anyways, you're taking the subject at hand into an example that might be a little too far out there... the Bible calls us saints, so we are saints. "To the saints at San Diego..." "To the saints at Ephesus...." "To the saints at Thesselonica...." hmm...seems to all fit..unless you're calling the early Christians NOT saints, and thus refuting what the APOSTLE Paul said. and unless the Catholic Church has a different interpretation for saint and saint...we're living saints. and you better tell Justified SAINT to change his name too... God bless. -------- and Jennifer, yeah, I'll wear it a badge of honor...scarlet letter...whatever. I don't mind. if anyone REALLY wants to know what I believe and whether or not I'm REALLY a "danger" they'll IM me or something. God bless. Christ first. ------------- and Jas, I see what you're saying...and praise the Lord for that. as for the Ocean of Paperwork...I'll stick to the bible and use of commentaries by brothers and sisters in Christ...they always HELP, but aren't the definitive words of Christ or the Apostles...but I'm sure we can discuss it somewhere else. God bless you, brother.
Justified Saint Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 [quote]and you better tell Justified SAINT to change his name too... [/quote] I guess I am a Protestant now.
the lumberjack Posted June 21, 2004 Author Posted June 21, 2004 I guess I'll tell dUSt to give you the Scarlet Letters too...
Archangel Raphael Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 This will be my last post on the matter, and last post on this forum. I'm beginning to realize this forum isn't about battling spiritual darkness, but people, and I don't like it (and that goes for either side, Catholic or Protestant). And you can make up whatever excuse you see fit, but quite frankly (and if a moderater edits this out or bans me then fine, cause I'm leaving anyhow) from a denomination who is against 'self interpretation', seems to be doing alot of it on their own with the Bible and the Catechism. Aren't you suppose to leave that to the priests? And let me remind everyone too. God founded the Law, in which the Jews and priests followed. The Law was of God, but it was man who had to interpret it, and you can have a law but if you don't have Love, then its useless. Cause look at the Pharisees, they had the law, yet they wanted to kill Jesus. Even when in the very Law they practiced that had clear prophecy of the coming Messiah. Most of the temple leaders wanted the very Son of God dead! The supposally 'highly educated' of the law. Yet some who had love, and weren't blinded by pride and the religious spirit, knew the Law and knew Christ was the Messiah. So if Christ (who is also God) founded the Catholic Church. Who is to say the Catholic leaders, even some of today's prests, and some of you you, are 100% right? Even I can't say I'm 100% right, how can you? Based on your own interpretation from your mind and not your heart? I still love ya all, and I made some good friends here, also my post here isn't directed at everyone here nor the Catholic church in general. Just those who choose to set law higher than the One who wrote the law. So I won't sit here and promote a community where I mostly see just another denomination looking down on others and have the gall to say we're going to hell because we aren't Catholic, or that we aren't Catholic cause we disagree with a detail of the doctrine. Fare well, I'll keep ya in prayer.
Justified Saint Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 Can anyone document where a Catholic has said to a non-Catholic on this forum that they are going to hell?
Brother Adam Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 These types of sentiments tend to surface more adn more as a group gets larger.
the lumberjack Posted June 21, 2004 Author Posted June 21, 2004 [quote name='Justified Saint' date='Jun 21 2004, 01:16 PM'] Can anyone document where a Catholic has said to a non-Catholic on this forum that they are going to hell? [/quote] actually, my protestant brother, read MANY of amarkich's posts, and I'm sure you find many instances of this. I can't think of others right now, but thats a start... Christ first.
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