beatitude Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 Until 2016 I was a candidate with a secular institute, which unfortunately had no members in my country. This made receiving solid consistent formation very difficult, and as the women in the institute seemed uncertain about how best to manage the situation and after several years I was getting no closer to making any kind of vows, I decided that this could not God's will for me and I withdrew. The institute shared the spirituality of Bl. Charles de Foucauld. I had originally discerned with a religious community founded in that tradition, but at the time I felt, along with the provincial, that my disabilities would make their life too difficult for me. However, I remained close friends with these sisters, and recently the provincial told me that if I am willing to try their life they are willing to do their best to accommodate me. She suggested I visit the house where I would be entering if I did become a postulant. I went in July, and I felt very much at home. The next time I see the provincial, I am going to ask to become a postulant. I've already told my parents, and the first thing my mother said was, "I've been half-expecting this." They seem honestly happy about it, and this to me is a very good sign - in the past they've always been a bit nervous when I mentioned religious life, although they always tried to be supportive. The final thing that has pushed me to take this step is a lot of trouble that has arisen in my family over my grandmother's will. I've been pretty shocked by the greed that it's stirred up, and the malice. I kept thinking about the words of Jesus - "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be" - and seriously asking myself where my own heart is. That verse has given me a lot of food for meditation. I thought of Bl. Charles de Foucauld, who wrote, "My Lord Jesus, how quickly will they become poor who, loving you with all their heart, cannot accept to be richer than their Beloved. How quickly they will become poor who accept with faith your words: If you wish to be perfect, go and sell all you own and give it to the poor. Blessed are the poor." I'm a greedy person myself and I can't say that my heart is always in the right place, but I know where I want it to be, and I think its deepest and purest wants will be answered in the community founded in the footsteps of the saint who wrote that. Pray for me, pham.
TheresaThoma Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 I very happy for you and I will be praying for you as you take this next major step. Its a bit surreal isn't it?
beatitude Posted October 19, 2017 Author Posted October 19, 2017 In a way it's surreal. In another way it just feels completely...normal. I've got to know the sisters well and I'm at ease with them. It's been just over ten years since I met them, and I can see that the intervening decade has been good for me: as a twenty-year-old I really couldn't have entered anywhere. I was still figuring out what my capabilities and limitations were. At one point I would have said that I'd wasted a lot of time and looked enviously at those young women who enter straight from college or even school, but now I'm not so fixed on doing everything at 100 miles an hour and I can appreciate that each person's journey is different. This self-acceptance and peace is another sign to me that I'm doing the right thing. Even if I don't persevere in the life, I will have been right to try. I am also remembering my reaction to these nuns when I met them for the first time. In my country they wear all blue, in honour of Mary, but no habit as such - it could just be a blue skirt and a blue shirt that they found in any second-hand shop (they take their poverty very seriously) with their congregational cross. They try to live in the same way as the poor and marginalised, so in Brazil this means a mud hut in an Amazonian village with the indigenous people, and in London it means a cramped apartment in an inner-city high rise. They say that they themselves cannot do much in these places, but they bring the Blessed Sacrament there, and He can do everything. As a nineteen-year-old, I was intrigued by this way of life, but also unimpressed: I wanted a beautiful monastery with ancient stonework and the traditional flowing veil and all the rest of it. I wanted some glamour and mystique. It was almost as if I were picking and choosing 'my' congregation from a conveyer belt of sushi. Now part of me is wondering nervously if I will even be accepted for postulancy - suppose some sisters disagree with the provincial about me? - which is a definite about-face! And this too is another sign that I'm knocking at the right door, because Heaven knows I couldn't have found this unfamiliar humility otherwise.
TheresaThoma Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 I can identify with this, recently the Lord has been showing me that as much as I thought I was ready I really wasn't. I was discerning with a different community and even though it might seem like those years were a waste of time but it was a time of preparation. I had a bit of a surreal moment too when I realized that I was ready to ask about entrance. I have a bit of "homework" from the community to do before I can "officially" ask. I know that the Sisters have some concerns but the vocation director and Mother have been very positive. The Lord is definitely using this time but it has continued to fly by.
Jennifer Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 I'm so very happy for you and will keep you in my prayers as you prepare to enter .
McM RSCJ Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 Dear Beatitude, I was so happy to read this update from you. Over the years that I have checked into this website, your posts have always radiated a beautiful spirit, even when you were in tough situations, as with a particular roommate. . . . Your posts also suggest you already live/work among the marginalized (your work with mentally ill persons) and in a simple way (a year not buying any new possession), so from what you have said about the Order you are asking to enter, I think your lived charism already makes a match with theirs. I just hope that all can indeed find the accommodations (re:disabilities, etc) that makes it possible for you to proceed as a member of this Congregation if you continue to believe this is indeed your path, your calling. God bless.
beatitude Posted October 23, 2017 Author Posted October 23, 2017 Thank you for all the good wishes. 22 hours ago, McM RSCJ said: Your posts also suggest you already live/work among the marginalized (your work with mentally ill persons) and in a simple way (a year not buying any new possession), so from what you have said about the Order you are asking to enter, I think your lived charism already makes a match with theirs. I agree with this. I feel about Brother Charles of Jesus the way many people feel about Therese de Lisieux and her 'Little Way' - when I look at him I see the Gospel made possible, and it no longer feels so daunting to lead a Christian life. When I lived in the refugee camp in the Middle East it hurt and worried me that eventually I would have to come away again, and I didn't feel able to be fully present to those people when I wasn't sharing 100% in their life. A girl in the psychiatric unit resentfully said something similar to me when I was going home: "At least you can get out of this place." For a while I looked for the job that would enable me to be most useful to people in that situation - psychologist, doctor, therapist, etc. - but then I realised that I was thinking about it in the wrong way. A sister who is interviewed in this video sums up their life in a way that makes me stand still and really think: "There's a kind of friendship that has grown up between many of us, and it's hard to explain...We would never have become close if we were, say, social workers and then went away in the evening. I think it's made a big difference that we stay here, day and night, also that we stand in the sun, take the same bus, stand in the cold - so I do think it makes a big difference..." This is what I've been searching for, and even if they or I decide that my vocation isn't with the community, I hope I will at least learn from them how to live this way.
TheresaThoma Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 Thank you for sharing the video. It gives a beautiful snapshot into their life. I really like their way of dress it is practical and simple yet it still subtly marks them as religious. It just fits them. It sounds like you have a good mindset in moving forward.
Hna.Caridad Posted October 24, 2017 Posted October 24, 2017 On 10/22/2017 at 11:48 AM, McM RSCJ said: I was so happy to read this update from you. Over the years that I have checked into this website, your posts have always radiated a beautiful spirit, even when you were in tough situations, as with a particular roommate. . . . Your posts also suggest you already live/work among the marginalized (your work with mentally ill persons) and in a simple way (a year not buying any new possession), so from what you have said about the Order you are asking to enter, I think your lived charism already makes a match with theirs. I could not have said it any better, McM RSCJ. Beatitude, please know that I'm praying for you and for the Sisters in the congregation with whom you are so close as you all continue to discern a future together.
NadaTeTurbe Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 I'm very happy to hear that. For you and also for the community. I'll pray for you and them. Btw your post make me remember I haven't written anything to the Sisters back in my hometown since coming in Ireland. Will do it now !
Sister Leticia Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 McM's response has made me recall the idea (which I fully believe in!) that those of us called to religious life are born with the charism of our congregations. It's part of our DNA, so to speak, since the very beginning, though we don't know it (in the same way that we often don't know all the details of our ancestry and DNA, the things which make me who and what I am) But just as ancestral talents or temperament can determine what we end up doing (even before we discover that we've inherited this or that trait), so this charism buried deep within us affects our choices and attitudes, maybe with our work or studies or our interests or preferences. In your case, Beatitude, as McM has said, this has meant striving to live simply and working with the marginalised, and in other areas too, living and growing into this charism which has always been within you, and which you are now just beginning to discover and know as yours. And thus the search for a religious family is really just a search for that DNA match which will enable us to grow even more into this charism. The time ahead of asking and waiting and preparing can be exciting, scary, joyful, stressful - if not in the same day, certainly in the same week! Enjoy it, and all the opportunities for growth and discovery and changing relationships it will bring - and enjoy the knowledge that you are supported by so many prayers.
Antigonos Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 I am very happy to read of your "forward steps". Even though we did not get to meet when you were in my neck of the woods, I've always felt a certain connection. May your path continue to be "el-al" [upward and onwards]
beatitude Posted October 30, 2017 Author Posted October 30, 2017 16 hours ago, Antigonos said: I am very happy to read of your "forward steps". Even though we did not get to meet when you were in my neck of the woods, I've always felt a certain connection. May your path continue to be "el-al" [upward and onwards] I hope I'll be back to visit at least once more before I enter, as I have a lot of friends and old neighbours who would like to see me before I embark on a nunly existence and potentially get sent anywhere. I will write to you when I'm coming and we will finally get that cup of tea. On 27/10/2017 at 9:39 PM, NadaTeTurbe said: I'm very happy to hear that. For you and also for the community. I'll pray for you and them. Btw your post make me remember I haven't written anything to the Sisters back in my hometown since coming in Ireland. Will do it now ! It's great to see you back here, Nada. Who knows, perhaps one day we will find ourselves in the same blue outfits. Thank you everyone for your prayers. Sister Leticia, your thoughts on being born with a particular charism are really interesting, especially given the aversion to the sisters' life that I felt when I met them the first time. I think this aversion came from lack of faith (belief that such a simple ministry couldn't possibly be useful) and an anxious preoccupation with more superficial things. What they had to say to me evidently did resonate deep down, or I wouldn't have kept talking to them and going to visit, but the difference between how I felt towards their life then and how I feel ten years later is so great that it's almost as if I've shed a skin. I'm remembering that part of C.S. Lewis's Voyage of the Dawn Treader where Eustace loses his dragon hide.
Marsabielle Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 ^Food for thought, definitely. Praying for you, beatitude!
Antigonos Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 I will write to you when I'm coming and we will finally get that cup of tea. Looking forward to it! Slightly at a tangent: I can understand why religious orders want women to enter young, for several reasons, but my personal take is that few 20 year olds have the wisdom and experience of 30 year olds -- that 10 years makes a huge difference, and I think the chances of the more mature at persevering in a vocation are much greater. Nothing a person does ever goes to waste, in the long term.
Sister Leticia Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Yes, there are orders who still prefer younger entrants, but in the west/northern hemisphere, many prefer entrants who are at least in their mid-twenties, precisely because of greater maturity, life experience and so on. As you say, no experience is ever wasted. In my own congregation, which is international, even in those countries where women generally marry at a much younger age we'd think carefully about taking someone younger than 19-20.
bardegaulois Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 Beatitude, this is the first visit to Phatmass I've made in many months, and this is the first thing I see here. I recall a conversation we had some time ago, which makes me especially pleased to hear your news: God be with you throughout this process. Be assured of a place in my prayers.
beatitude Posted November 4, 2017 Author Posted November 4, 2017 I was thinking back to that conversation as well. I don't regret for a moment the effort I made with the secular institute (I'm sure it will not be wasted, no matter where my life goes) but I'm grateful to have this opportunity to try my vocation in community. I'm in the USA for a wedding and I'm staying with some of the American sisters during my time here. It's already been a challenge. The sisters have their own rooms where possible, but sometimes, due to their poverty and their desire to share as closely as possible in the material living conditions of their neighbours, they have to share. This is one of those houses. If I want to go to the bathroom in the night I have to tiptoe past two sleeping sisters and try not to wake them up by bashing into their beds. Their sleeping spaces are separated by a folding screen, and I have a gloomy presentiment that I will be sending that crashing down on somebody in the middle of the night before my visit is over. I think the lack of personal space is going to be very hard for me if I end up in a house like this one - in fact, once I would have said it was impossible. But as Bl. Charles de Foucauld used to say, "Jesus is Master of the impossible." The sisters here are very excited at the possibility of me joining. They trust in God, so they try not to worry about vocations, but I can tell that they're grieving over the closure of some of their houses. This year it was their house in Afghanistan. They were there for sixty years, throughout the Soviet occupation, the rule of the Taliban, the NATO bombings. Violence hardly ever chases them out of anywhere, and given their great courage and trust in God, it seems especially sad that they should have had to leave that neighbourhood in Kabul only because not enough women are coming forward to join. When I look at what they did in Afghanistan and what they continue to do in so many other places, it seems incredible that I could let such a minor thing as worry over personal space hold me back. Please pray for vocations for them; I think their charism of reconciliation is as needed as ever, and I have told the Lord that if I'm coming here, I want to bring a few people along.
NadaTeTurbe Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 On 30/10/2017 at 1:56 AM, beatitude said: It's great to see you back here, Nada. Who knows, perhaps one day we will find ourselves in the same blue outfits. As you say, we need some maturity before entering religious life, so I'm waiting to finish my studies and have a bit of work experience before doing anything. But the door is open, for sure I think another reason why our sisters are so worried about vocation is that it was so flourishing after their foundation, and for at least three/four decades. Now they are in a crisis, and some of the sisters who entered in the 60's, 70's, did not see that coming... I remember once, they told me they had for this year something like 10 postulants. I smiled, said it was a lot - some international communities that I know don't even have 2 or 3 postulants -, and the sister looked at me so sadly, and said "No, it's not, it's not enough." My heart just broke thinking about my "three" old little sisters who are so anxious about what will happen in their community
beatitude Posted November 4, 2017 Author Posted November 4, 2017 They were founded on the cusp of the Second World War, and I think the flood of vocations came because people who lived through that saw the truth of what the sisters were saying and doing about reconciliation. Today there may be a lot of violence in the world, but people tend to insulate themselves from it as far as possible, whereas in post-WWII Europe that wasn't so easy to do. I am praying that for so long as these sisters are needed, women will step forward and they will be here. I still have so many doubts about my own vocation, but you don't need to be 100% certain of something to try it, and I don't think I can pray for vocations to this community with a pure heart when I'm saying in the next breath, "But of course it's not for me, God, it's too difficult for me." And it IS difficult. I 'click' with most of the sisters in the house where I'm staying at present, but one of them is a constant talker, and I crave silence. She met me at the train station and on the 90-minute journey back to the community it was talk, talk, talk without let-up. Today she and I went to do the shopping and I would have loved to walk in silence at least part of the way, but I heard everything - her childhood (even down to the colour of her family home), how she has a friend who used to be a train worker and how as young women they would buy clothes together, how she came to join the sisters, the list went on. If she's in a room with someone, she'll talk. It's a tough balance for me between responding politely and with interest, and retreating with tact when I need a little space. Today it dawned on me that if I enter and get sent to this house I could spend years struggling with this balancing act, and I thought longingly of my quiet little apartment and almost retracted my decision to ask for postulancy. Then the question came to me, "Do you want to be a saint?" and I realised that to say 'yes' with any sincerity I have to try this.
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