Catholic Tan Books

[Guest]

[Guest]

Man racism is a vile sin. And so ingrained in people and religion. The same people who put out/use books like this are the same ones who will harp on sexual sin and how their Mass is better. And how they never receive in the hand and people who do have no reverence. Blah Blah Blah yet they are fine with **** like this lol. It's actually crazy. How difficult is it to convince yourself racism is evil? You don't need the Bible or any religion to figure it out. I mean depending how you interpret the Bible you may think it supports your racist views. Or if you only look at certain time periods in the Church when they supported slavery you may think that also supports your racist views. But forget religion. Forget the Bible. You really can't figure out with your own common sense that racism is evil? You really believe a whole race of people is evil because some story in the Bible says they decended from Ham? And Catholic publications put out literature supporting it with commentary? Think for yourself. Break away from the racist's.

Edited February 15, 2020 by Guest

[dUSt]

Don’t trust whitey. 

[ardillacid]

Tldr

[Guest]

[Seven77]

I'm a little lost – – couldn't really follow what it's about. What did the commentary say? Something about Noah's son, Ham, who was cursed? I know that there is a racist explanation by… racists. But what does the Catholic commentary in question say?

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Seven77 said:

I'm a little lost – – couldn't really follow what it's about. What did the commentary say? Something about Noah's son, Ham, who was cursed? I know that there is a racist explanation by… racists. But what does the Catholic commentary in question say?

The commentary from the Catholic Archbishop describes how black people are from the curse of Ham. He states that their way of living is very barbaric and they are very difficult to convert. And they are sunk in the lowest of positions because of the curse.

This was put out recently after other texts on other subjects were edited. But this is how the publication still feels on that topic.

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[Guest]

 

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[Luigi]

3 hours ago, Delivery said:

 

 

3 hours ago, Delivery said:

This is basically the same talk my dad had with me when I was about 14. He also added that I shouldn't call him to go my bail. I've never been arrested. My four brothers have all been arrested. They called Dad, and Dad threw their bail. 

Edited February 16, 2020 by Luigi
Quoted the wrong source text - sorry!

[Guest]

[Vin]

The myth of Ham's descendents being African people began, I believe, in protestant slave trading circles. look up St. Augustine's interpretation. Great article archived at the Wilson Quarterly, Race the History of an idea in the West by Ivan Hannaford. The Bishop Author of this commentary may have been effected by German protestant eisegesis, May have been an ambient explanation at the time. 

[Seven77]

I've heard this type of thing before I'm quite surprised it appears here as well. Ham is the father of the Egyptians… While they were enemies of Israel, they were redeemed and converted after the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. St. Mark evangelized Egypt and there have been great Egyptian saints. The curse of Ham doesn't even exist anymore.(or curse on Canaan… The Canaanites come from him as well.)

Just took a solid Old Testament class and there was nothing remotely like that racist claim.

Also, I don't think that this book represents Tan as a whole. Do they really publish it still?

Edited February 17, 2020 by Seven77

[little2add]

The old testament contain many ills.  That is why Catholics only follow and heed the New Testament. 
 

[Seven77]

3 minutes ago, little2add said:

The old testament contain many ills.  That is why Catholics only follow and heed the New Testament. 
 

That's not really accurate to say. The Old Testament is interpreted in light of the New. But we certainly don't disregard it.  That is a heresy. More accurate to say that we are not bound by the laws of the old covenant, they were ratified and perfected in Christ… Fulfilled as he says in today's Gospel from Matthew.

[Kateri89]

On 2/15/2020 at 7:00 AM, Delivery said:

Man racism is a vile sin. And so ingrained in people and religion. The same people who put out/use books like this are the same ones who will harp on sexual sin and how their Mass is better. And how they never receive in the hand and people who do have no reverence. Blah Blah Blah yet they are fine with **** like this lol. It's actually crazy. How difficult is it to convince yourself racism is evil? You don't need the Bible or any religion to figure it out. I mean depending how you interpret the Bible you may think it supports your racist views. Or if you only look at certain time periods in the Church when they supported slavery you may think that also supports your racist views. But forget religion. Forget the Bible. You really can't figure out with your own common sense that racism is evil? You really believe a whole race of people is evil because some story in the Bible says they decended from Ham? And Catholic publications put out literature supporting it with commentary? Think for yourself. Break away from the racist's.

I totally agree with you that this is clearly racist and never should’ve been believed, let alone published.  That being said, why are you maligning a whole group of people as racist for what one Archbishop said and one book company did not edit out?  That was a thinly veiled insult.  This is something that frustrates me in modern discourse.  Someone says or does something bad and we immediately cast them and anyone remotely associated with them as totally bad.  I pray that we can be firm against sin but more merciful toward one another.  The better thing to do would be to contact TAN and speak with them, asking how they could’ve left this in one of their books and how it made the final edit.  If they ignore you or act dismissively, then by all means make stuff like this public knowledge so that they realize how sinful and hurtful it is.

[little2add]

48 minutes ago, Seven77 said:

More accurate to say that we are not bound by the laws of the old covenant, they were ratified and perfected in Christ… Fulfilled as he says in today's Gospel from Matthew.

That’s right

They were ratified and perfected by Jesus Christ In the New Testament 

Edited February 17, 2020 by little2add

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Seven77 said:

Also, I don't think that this book represents Tan as a whole. Do they really publish it still?

Why wouldn't it represent Tan as a whole? They are publishing these racist ideas. And yes this is recent. They edit other things on other topics but stand behind this and leave it included.

1 hour ago, Kateri89 said:

That being said, why are you maligning a whole group of people as racist for what one Archbishop said and one book company did not edit out?  That was a thinly veiled insult.  

I don't use Tan for homeschooling or read their other literature. I know these books are aimed towards traditionalists. But if you're using a book like that for homeschooling or whatever and come across commentary like this you should be speaking up. They should be getting angry complaints by every single person who purchased the book. And the people who purchased them should return it or get rid of them. But I'm guessing they're not. Either the people reading it have no problem with it and agree with it. Or they don't really care or don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. Both are a big problem.

You're right I shouldn't imply every single person is racist who may have this book. But if you own it and read that and don't get rid of the books and make your voice heard. Or shrug it off then I'm not real sure what that makes you? 

 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Kateri89 said:

The better thing to do would be to contact TAN and speak with them, asking how they could’ve left this in one of their books and how it made the final edit.  If they ignore you or act dismissively, then by all means make stuff like this public knowledge so that they realize how sinful and hurtful it is.

Why would I contact these people? They don't know what they are doing? I'm supposed to believe they're just naive and publishing racist hate out of ignorance? It doesn't get much worse than this. They're purposely publishing racist ideas while claiming it's what the Church teaches. This is why I see trad accounts on Facebook warning against white people marrying black people and other racist bs. Calling black people the n word like it's no big deal. I'm not trying to have a conversation with Tan and give them the impression I think they are the least bit legitimate and I'm waiting for them to clear things up for me so my mind can be at peace. People who read this stuff should of been going public a long time ago. The fact that the first I heard about it is from a Catholic black lady homeschooling her kids really paints the picture of what's going on. Not surprised at all.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Guest

[KnightofChrist]

Fine Josh, I'll be the adult male and I'll contact Tan Books. I'll ask them if they are aware of this trash, and what if anything they'll do about it. So that you can sit here and just talk garbage about trads, right wingers, baby eating maga cultists, and super mega Hitler Trump.

If anyone else cares enough to actually do something about it, here is their contact page. Will post other forms of contact if I find them later.

 

https://www.tanbooks.com/contacts/

Edited February 17, 2020 by KnightofChrist

[KnightofChrist]

Done.