Catholic Tan Books

[MIKolbe]

3 hours ago, Delivery said:

This dialogue doesn't get called out by Tim, Tan ECT because it's what they believe and preach. @dUSt why is this topic on the debate board? What is debateable about the topic and the evidence I laid out on the very first post?

Also if you merge this topic into a "rant" thread I will never post here again. I understand that may be an incentive for you to do it. That's fine. I understand you don't want the site cluttered by a bunch of my threads. I agree and I do need to pace myself.

Although this topic needs it's own thread. And I know you didn't move it to the debate board (@MIKolbe did) but there's nothing to debate on this topic. It needs moved to the open mic. Peace.

@MIKolbe

conspiracies abound....my power is endless. 

[Guest]

42 minutes ago, MIKolbe said:

conspiracies abound....my power is endless. 

You didn't move it? I figured you did when little2add thanked you and you replied no problem.

If you didn't my fault.

[Norseman82]

On ‎5‎/‎6‎/‎2020 at 5:29 AM, Delivery said:

[dUSt]

On 5/10/2020 at 7:29 AM, Delivery said:

This dialogue doesn't get called out by Tim, Tan ECT because it's what they believe and preach.

I looked at the Twitter thread and it looks like that racist post has since been deleted--although I agree it would have been better to leave that trash up and call him out on it. I also looked at that "Frank" guy's Twitter activity and he seems like the stereotypical alt-right racist dude.

[Guest]

38 minutes ago, dUSt said:

I looked at the Twitter thread and it looks like that racist post has since been deleted--although I agree it would have been better to leave that trash up and call him out on it.

No it hasn't been deleted. It's still up with no rebuke. I took a screenshot but apparently I'm now blocked from uploading images in my post.

[Guest]

@dUSt What's debatable about this topic? Tan can print stuff like this and not be considered a racist/white supremacist publication?

[dUSt]

2 minutes ago, Delivery said:

@dUSt What's debatable about this topic? Tan can print stuff like this and not be considered a racist/white supremacist publication?

The Debate Table is for threads that contain a debate. The topic is irrelevant. You could post a topic called "Tacos are my favorite food." No debate about that--but if people start arguing about what goes best on a taco (so tasty) it could be moved to the Debate Table.

45 minutes ago, Delivery said:

No it hasn't been deleted. It's still up with no rebuke. I took a screenshot but apparently I'm now blocked from uploading images in my post.

Oh sorry. I saw in a thread where you referred to yourself as non-denominational so I had to remove the Church Militant tag.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, dUSt said:

The Debate Table is for threads that contain a debate. The topic is irrelevant. You could post a topic called "Tacos are my favorite food." No debate about that--but if people start arguing about what goes best on a taco (so tasty) (so tasty) it could be moved to the Debate Table.

Got it. Which begs the question how could people turn this into a debate with the information provided in the first post. 

 

13 minutes ago, dUSt said:

Oh sorry. I saw in a thread where you referred to yourself as non-denominational so I had to remove the Church Militant tag.

Got it. Wasn't aware Non-Catholics couldn't upload images. 

[little2add]

13 hours ago, dUSt said:

The Debate Table is for threads that contain a debate.

the curse of Ham was not invented by Tan books.  I have not read the Tan book chapter and do not need too, I can only summarize that Tan publishing is repeating a narrative found in the Old Testament and not in anyway advocating the horrible sins...

The interpretation of the “Curse of ham” is very much racist.  
 Don’t shoot the messenger for being the bearer of bad news...

BTW:  Reading and interpreting the curse of Ham through a racial lens distorts the goodness of God’s revelation and the history of salvation that transcends race and ethnicity. In this case, an event that unfolded in Israel’s prehistory was ripped out of context and misappropriated in order to legitimize a racist social structure.

Edited May 12, 2020 by little2add

[MIKolbe]

glad I could help clear things up....

[Guest]

4 hours ago, little2add said:

the curse of Ham was not invented by Tan books.  I have not read the Tan book chapter and do not need too

This is why @Anomaly said the other day you're too stupid to have have a conversation with. You have not read the commentary or what is being addressed in this thread. Yet you assert your opinion and insert debate going against common sense. @dUSt then legitimizes your ignorance by moving the topic to the debate forum upon your request. If you had took 5 minutes to read the details of this topic you would know the archbishop interpreted scripture to say black people are the lowest of people to this day. That they are almost impossible to convert and violent ect. Tan which edited the book in other areas left this. I PERSONALLY have many black friends in the United States and Uganda. Real friends I talk to. This book is sick. And the fact you insert your uniformed opinion without even knowing what is being discussed is bull****. ******* STOP!!!!!!  Start your own topic. Or at the very ******* least know what the is being discussed here before you decide to comment.

 

4 hours ago, little2add said:

I can only summarize that Tan publishing is repeating a narrative found in the Old Testament and not in anyway advocating the horrible sins...

That's not what they are doing and if you would of took 5 minutes to read the details of what is being discussed you would of realized this.

 

4 hours ago, little2add said:

The interpretation of the “Curse of ham” is very much racist.  
 Don’t shoot the messenger for being the bearer of bad news...

They put the book out post 2000 with other sections edited. They left this section and push it as a legitimate way to understand scripture. The book is a Bible study and is intended to help the reader understand the Bible better. I'm 'shooting  the messenger of bad news' because they are printing white supremacist propaganda under the guise of it being authentic catholic teaching. The black lady who first brought this to light is also shooting at the messenger. Along with all the other folks who called out this white supremacy in the first post I uploaded.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Guest

[Guest]

2 hours ago, MIKolbe said:

glad I could help clear things up....

Thanks again. God Bless you and your fam.

[MIKolbe]

11 minutes ago, Delivery said:

Thanks again. God Bless you and your fam.

holla atch boy if you need anything...respek

[little2add]

On 2/22/2020 at 12:46 PM, Kateri89 said:

This thread isn’t even in the debate table and it’s spawning so much contempt among PMers.  Snide comments and sarcasm are not helpful and not holy.

 

Agreed

[Guest]

You know what else is not holy? Being a big trad book company still printing white supremacist ideology under the guise of authentic Catholic teaching. If @dUSt didn't prohibit me from uploading pictures I would share photos of my great friend Emmanuel from Uganda who is poor and still dedicates his time to helping those hungry get food and clean water. While also being a pastor, husband and father with a baby on the way. He is a great friend of mine who I regularly talk to. According to Tan he's the lowest of lows. Hard to convert. And whatever else was said in that book. Not just back then when the archbishop said it but to this day. That this has turned into a debate with little2add and others making excuses for it is sad. 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Guest

[little2add]

I Find a difficult from your insatiable ranting to see or read how tan publications made this racist diatribe.  

Would you mind re-printing the dire statement from tan publications in its entire contents, you are referring to?

if you don’t mind and even if you do   
 

thank you

 

[Guest]

I've been at Phatmass since it started. I've never blocked a user until now. You're the first. God says to pray for my enemies so I pray for you and your peace in this life. I pray God be with you all your days and you enter the Kingdom.

[little2add]

3 hours ago, Delivery said:

you're too stupid

Unlike you I have never been banned from the site for 30 days.  I’ve never resorted to name calling on the site.  
I also think your repeated Slanderous comments of the Catholic faith is disingenuous.   

If it’s all right with you, I’m going to continue to post on this site, please bear in mind that my opinion may sometimes disagree with yours and that it is “ Nothing personal“ towards you.

 

[Ice_nine]

is it possible this timothy fellow didn't see the racist tweet?

Personally, the guy really irks me but I shouldn't let that alone not let me give him the benefit of the doubt.

There is an ugly ethno-nationalist strand in traditionalist circles. Anyone who denies that is dishonest, anyone who finds that even somewhat agreeable probably missed an important chunk in the gospel.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Ice_nine said:

There is an ugly ethno-nationalist strand in traditionalist circles.

I've been studying it. It's scary.