crusader1234 Posted July 9, 2004 Posted July 9, 2004 Trust is a noble trait. Believing a person has lied not once in over 5 years isn't trust it is gullibility. "There is one way to find out if a man is honest--ask him. If he says yes, you know he is crooked." --Groucho Marx Great. We both have quotes that basically insult eachothers integrity.
qfnol31 Posted July 9, 2004 Posted July 9, 2004 [quote name='voiciblanche' date='Jul 8 2004, 07:03 PM'] The problem is that these altar-girls are usually young, and therefore impressionable. When I was very small, I declared that I was going to start my own church so I could be a priest... And if you've got a ten or eleven year old girl who's an altar server, she could start thinking that the Church is "sexist" as so many women say, because women are (well, it's kinda "used to be") kept off of the altar. Many women leave the Church for this reason, and it's due to ignorance and lack of sensitivity or caution in these situations where girls are let to be altar servers and women are let to be EMs. -_- [/quote] You'd make a terrible priest. Priestess however.... Just don't go to the Anglican/Episcoplian Church. I like your post. :D
ironmonk Posted July 9, 2004 Posted July 9, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jul 9 2004, 03:32 PM'] Trust is a noble trait. Believing a person has lied not once in over 5 years isn't trust it is gullibility. "There is one way to find out if a man is honest--ask him. If he says yes, you know he is crooked." --Groucho Marx Great. We both have quotes that basically insult eachothers integrity. [/quote] "He who mistrusts most should be trusted least." - Theognis "It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath." - Heraclitus Since when is it wise to listen to entertainers for wisdom? Groucho Marx? I mean, really... maybe that's why the left is so off. Not lying is an easy thing to do, if you tried it you would know it's believable that someone can indeed go at least 5 years without doing it. Not being able to believe a person hasn't lied in at least 5 years just goes to show that one thinks it's impossible, which means they must lie a lot. I would believe that the pope hasn't lied for easily 50 years. I would believe that Mother Theresa didn't lie for dozens of years. I would believe someone who has been defending the Church for so long and reading the bible since they were six years old that it could be very possible that they haven't lied in five years. Why can't you believe it? [b]Ecclesiastes 10:2[/b] The wise man's understanding turns him to his right; the fool's understanding turns him to his left. Alas, I don't care if you believe me or not... those people that I do know, would easily believe it... but don't ask me... ask them. I'm blunt and to the point... I'm not affraid of ruffling feathers... there is simply no need to lie, ever. If there is something I don't want to talk about, I change the subject or simply do not answer. God Bless, ironmonk
Mary's Knight, La Posted July 10, 2004 Posted July 10, 2004 *BLATANT THREAD HIJACK* well not really just getting back to the original question i don't agree with all of the ones you listed as being part of it but my answer is yes i think it is a conspiracy but not on a necessarily human level cuz you will find many people who want changes but will say make the line here but no further. each group *usually* wants only their particular change and agrees others shouldn't happen e.g. we should have female priests but stay firm on abortion or vice versa but it seems to be a concentrated effort in a way watch when one group does get smacked down how fast the others move in. looks like a classic war of attrition (sp?) which i think i remember reading some bible verse that says basically that's all the devil has left is a war of attrition he knows he can't win but he's going to make his defeat cost as much as it can. unfortunately one of his weapons is ourselves we all have our own ideas of "the way things ought to be" and not surprisingly our individual ideas tend to make us one of the least bad people we know. as has already been stated it's going to fail, and the forces behind it know this, they just want to take as many people and as many graces out of the church as they can the antidote is to show people their own desire for sinfulness and how their "idea of how it ought to be" promotes this, then it's a lot easier for them to follow God's knowledge of how it ought to be it's not popular but it's a formula that seems to work really well in a lot of things "identify what's bad, cut it out, put God in His place" wow seems almost like a quick definition of Reconciliation a weird coincidence.... I think not!
conservativecatholic Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 (edited) [quote name='voiciblanche' date='Jul 8 2004, 07:03 PM'] The problem is that these altar-girls are usually young, and therefore impressionable. When I was very small, I declared that I was going to start my own church so I could be a priest... And if you've got a ten or eleven year old girl who's an altar server, she could start thinking that the Church is "sexist" as so many women say, because women are (well, it's kinda "used to be") kept off of the altar. Many women leave the Church for this reason, and it's due to ignorance and lack of sensitivity or caution in these situations where girls are let to be altar servers and women are let to be EMs. -_- [/quote] I agree with most parts of your post; however, I do not believe that many girls think that the Church is sexist. In my CCE class, there are girls that range from cheerleaders to some that desire to live in a convent. All of them agree that the Priesthood is reserved for men only. Just look at the 12 Apostles. They are all men. I fully support a girl's right to serve at the altar though. Edited July 13, 2004 by conservativecatholic
catholicguy Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 (edited) Girl altar boys?? [i]Conservative[/i] Catholic??? Edit: Also, the "I support a girl's (woman's) [b][i][u]right[/u][/i][/b]...", we know what stems from this (when choice is made to be the ultimate truth and not the action itself). N.B., girls have [b]no[/b] [i]right[/i] to serve at the altar. Edited July 13, 2004 by catholicguy
Good Friday Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 [quote name='catholicguy']Edit: Also, the "I support a girl's (woman's) right...", we know what stems from this (when choice is made to be the ultimate truth and not the action itself). N.B., girls have no right to serve at the altar.[/quote] [b]No one[/b] has a [i]right[/i] to serve at the altar. It's a privilege, not a right.
catholicguy Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 Exactly Well, I would argue that a cleric has the same right to serve as a baptized person has a right to Heaven. While, in his essence as a sinful creature, the cleric has no right to serve, by reason of his office (nothing short of ordination by God Himself), he has a right to serve. The same can be said of one who is baptized. Though he is a sinful creature by nature, one who is baptized can be said to have a right to Heaven insofar as he has been given sanctifying grace by God, and if he perseveres in this grace, he will be saved.
Good Friday Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 [quote name='catholicguy']While, in his essence as a sinful creature, the cleric has no right to serve, by reason of his office (nothing short of ordination by God Himself), he has a right to serve.[/quote] I agree. I was referring to lay altar servers.
catholicguy Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 (edited) That's what I figured. I am honored that I have the privilege of serving Mass everyday. It is the holiest thing that anyone can do other than receiving Communion. This is something that is often ignored and never cherished (but I am able to serve a Traditional Latin Mass everyday, so that is a little different than what most people are used to, I suppose). Edited July 14, 2004 by catholicguy
Socrates Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 Whoa! Who bumped up this old chestnut? So many names I haven't seen in a while. "Catholicguy's" screen name reminds me of "Family Guy" for some reason . . . "Lucky there's a Catholic Guy! . . . "
Servant_of_Eve Posted January 31, 2006 Posted January 31, 2006 I am from maine and I don't like to use the term liberal as much as I like to use the word Unorthodox. It is extremely prevalent in my area of the country and it frustrates the heck out of me. I tend to find small pockets around the state, thanks be to God, that love the magesterium of the church. Our pastor is very unorthodox so our liturgy is insulting to Our Lord, it is more of a rock concert than a Catholic Mass, One of our churches doesn't even have a Crucifix. I am an adult who helps out with youth ministry and last week someone got a sister to come talk to us about the Eucharist. I thought it was going to be wonderful but it ended up being a heretical mess and by the end of it Jesus communicated himself through the Eucharist instead of Jesus being truly present in the Eucharist. It is as if authentic catholic doctrine doesn't matter anymore and it is all about how WE should run GOD'S church.
Desert Walker Posted January 31, 2006 Posted January 31, 2006 The only bon-fide conspiracies to overthrow what is good are directed by demons........ We are far too scattered and imperfect to conduct a conspiracy perfectly. SO all efforts to undo God's work are ultimately directed by Satan. If error seems chaotic it is only because it is mystically endorsed by the Lord of Chaos.
Desert Walker Posted February 1, 2006 Posted February 1, 2006 [quote name='Servant_of_Eve' date='Jan 31 2006, 09:29 AM']I am from maine and I don't like to use the term liberal as much as I like to use the word Unorthodox. It is extremely prevalent in my area of the country and it frustrates the heck out of me. I tend to find small pockets around the state, thanks be to God, that love the magesterium of the church. Our pastor is very unorthodox so our liturgy is insulting to Our Lord, it is more of a rock concert than a Catholic Mass, One of our churches doesn't even have a Crucifix. I am an adult who helps out with youth ministry and last week someone got a sister to come talk to us about the Eucharist. I thought it was going to be wonderful but it ended up being a heretical mess and by the end of it Jesus communicated himself through the Eucharist instead of Jesus being truly present in the Eucharist. It is as if authentic catholic doctrine doesn't matter anymore and it is all about how WE should run GOD'S church. [right][snapback]870948[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yes, that is a perfect description of Liberal Catholicism
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