Jaime 2,631 Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 I believe teachers are essential workers. come at me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hna.Caridad 72 Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 Essential workers or sacrificial workers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elizabeth09 123 Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 Define essential workers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jaime 2,631 Posted November 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 Nurses, doctors, truck drivers, Target employees grocery store workers are all essential workers meaning they don’t have the option to shut down. If they don’t work society suffers. They have to be at risk of COVID or they have to quit. Teachers are not considered essential workers. I think they should be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Didacus 316 Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 Teachers are essential - in the long run. Short term (say 6 month span)... a little less. Except for those who are homeschooling I guess? Maybe the pandemic is the universe trying to convince everyone to homeschool from now on? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elizabeth09 123 Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 I think so, because homeschooling is better for the child. PaxCordisJesu 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jaime 2,631 Posted November 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 2 hours ago, elizabeth09 said: I think so, because homeschooling is better for the child. That would be great! I know several families that are homeschooling and it's worked out. But in real life, very few families have the financial means or the proper skill sets to homeschool. Parents are suffering with this online learning. Kids are suffering with it too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hna.Caridad 72 Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 15 hours ago, Jaime said: Nurses, doctors, truck drivers, Target employees grocery store workers are all essential workers meaning they don’t have the option to shut down. If they don’t work society suffers. They have to be at risk of COVID or they have to quit. Teachers are not considered essential workers. I think they should be. Are you implying that people who teach online aren't working? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jaime 2,631 Posted November 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 40 minutes ago, Hna.Caridad said: Are you implying that people who teach online aren't working? I'm not implying anything. I'm stating imo that teachers should be considered essential workers. In person teaching is preferred by most students and certainly by most parents. With online teaching, the instructor is working. But the student has to work harder and the parents have to work with the online instruction. with in person teaching, the teacher and the student don't have to work harder and the parent can work on the day job instead of being essentially a paraprofessional Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lilllabettt 3,851 Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 11/21/2020 at 10:40 PM, Jaime said: I believe teachers are essential workers. come at me Well. The way society has been set up, they are. Or rather, schools are essential. In Fall 2019 we had a teachers strike. The teachers said their strike was "for the children." They campaigned for all sorts of social supports to be delivered to poor children in our city public schools. The strike was called off when they got these things ... and a 15% raise. 6 months later, covid hit. The public schools were closed, but prepared to open in the fall. However the teachers said, if they did, they would strike. So the public schools have remained closed, and no students have been getting the social supports the teachers supposedly desperately wanted them to have. The Catholic schools here remained open for summer school and opened on time in the fall. There have not been serious problems (with about 80,000 catholic school students citywide.) I think once or twice a building had to close for a week. Nobody has become seriously ill. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elizabeth09 123 Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 7 hours ago, Didacus said: Teachers are essential - in the long run. Short term (say 6 month span)... a little less. Except for those who are homeschooling I guess? Maybe the pandemic is the universe trying to convince everyone to homeschool from now on? What do you mean "in the long run?" Yes, teacher are importing, but is it better online, then going to school right now? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ardillacid 2,023 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 If the dude at taco (so tasty) Bell is essential, teachers are essential. Didacus, Jaime and kujonicus 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elizabeth09 123 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 I agree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Luigi 3,649 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 9 hours ago, Hna.Caridad said: Are you implying that people who teach online aren't working? When I die and go to hell, I will be sentenced to teach online for all eternity. And my online teaching skills will not be able to keep up with the technological innovations. Just like now. I'm working more but teaching less. kujonicus 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kujonicus 0 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Jaime said: I'm not implying anything. I'm stating imo that teachers should be considered essential workers. In person teaching is preferred by most students and certainly by most parents. With online teaching, the instructor is working. But the student has to work harder and the parents have to work with the online instruction. with in person teaching, the teacher and the student don't have to work harder and the parent can work on the day job instead of being essentially a paraprofessional You’re not a public school teacher, are you? Because if you were, and you were suffering through “blended learning” / “simultaneous teaching,” you’d never ever say something like “the instructor is working, but the student has to work harder.” That may make sense in your brain, where you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about, but in the real world, it’s very much NOT the case. At all. Not even a little. 7 hours ago, Luigi said: When I die and go to hell, I will be sentenced to teach online for all eternity. And my online teaching skills will not be able to keep up with the technological innovations. Just like now. I'm working more but teaching less. + 1 billion Not sure if you watch the show Schitts Creek on Netflix, but there’s a great video someone made about teachers begging for guidance on just what the heck we’re doing this year with blended learning: “Just fold it in” I think through this scene at least 5 times a day. Edited November 24, 2020 by kujonicus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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