fides' Jack's Mega Anti-Vax Thread

[Peace]

On 5/2/2021 at 7:03 PM, Ash Wednesday said:

I'm curious, do recipients in the US have a choice when it comes to manufacturers? Some have noted that some US Bishops are more likely to speak out more critically on, for example, the J&J vaccine -- whereas the Vatican doesn't indicate preference, nor do they in England and Wales (where I am). Some have asserted that the Americans are being more conservative, but I suspect it may be due in part because in the UK and Europe, patients on national healthcare systems generally aren't given a choice, at least if they wish to receive a vaccine sooner rather than later. But I'm just wondering if insurance companies currently offer patients in the US a choice. 

Different places are handling it differently I think. At least in VA it seems that only the cities and counties are distributing the vaccine. When I got a call and I asked them what was available they said that they only had Moderna at the location where I was offered it. I think if you wanted to opt for a different one, you could probably wait or try to sign up for a shot at a different location that had the one you wanted. At least right now in my location it does not seem hard to get a shot. There seems to be oversupply, so if you want a particular brand, I imagine that you could get it if you inquired a bit as to who had it. I think the JNJ one might have gotten nixed though?

[Anomaly]

Here in Florida, vaccines are readily available from Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J.   Only one type is given at a site, so you would have to put in effort to find what they are providing.  It is so available, some places no longer require appointments. 

[little2add]

is the vaccine safe?

 

[little2add]

A prayer when this is over 

When this is over may we never again take for granted: A handshake with a stranger, full shelves at the store, conversations with neighbors, a crowded theater, Friday night out, the taste of communion, a routine checkup, the school rush every morning, coffee with a friend, the stadium roaring, each deep breath, a boring Tuesday, life itself.  

When this ends may we find that we have become more like the people we wanted to be, we were called to be, we hoped to be.  And may we stay that way-better for each other because of the worst. 

 Unknown

[Akalyte]

I for one never trusted vaccines or needles, since I was a kid. They had to strap me down to inject me. The thing is, its not the same for everyone. Some get the vaccine and they are fine, others end up really sick or die. So if I'm a bad guy for not getting the vaccine because people fear the unnvacinated, if I take it or someone in my family takes it and dies, then what? How is that even okay with people?  

[islandanchoress]

On 6/2/2021 at 3:54 PM, little2add said:

A prayer when this is over 

When this is over may we never again take for granted: A handshake with a stranger, full shelves at the store, conversations with neighbors, a crowded theater, Friday night out, the taste of communion, a routine checkup, the school rush every morning, coffee with a friend, the stadium roaring, each deep breath, a boring Tuesday, life itself.  

When this ends may we find that we have become more like the people we wanted to be, we were called to be, we hoped to be.  And may we stay that way-better for each other because of the worst. 

 Unknown

HUGS... This is how I live and have lived for  long whiles now as my  immune system is down and even a vaccine is a danger. Been all but immured for over two years now; all I need Is delivered. It fits with my vocation of anchoress wondrously.   

And I am too old and unwell to cope with social activities... All is well

 

Where I live is utterly quiet and peaceful; small island in the ocean. and my cats are wonderful company . 

Without the internet it would be a very different matter of course. We can stay in touch  

Must be so very hard for all of you out there . 

 

 

[Ash Wednesday]

I wouldn't mind living on a small island in the ocean with cats. Give me a small church on it where I could live out the rest of my life as an old church lady attending mass, arranging the flowers and helping keep the place clean, that would actually be some life goals right there. 

[Didacus]

On 4/23/2021 at 3:03 PM, fides' Jack said:

Yeah, you're just trolling me now.  Good job.

Dust your sandals, walk away.

I shall walk with you.

[fides' Jack]

On 5/2/2021 at 7:26 AM, Peace said:

You have no problem allowing another 3 million people to die while Sanofi produces a vaccine but you call us heartless? The nerve of you!

You had no problem at all "numbing yourself" to the deaths of 3 million people with your long-post about low-death rates. You are being a total hypocrite here.

Do you deny the likely millions of deaths that can be attributed to the shots?  Or the millions that can be directly attributed to the lockdowns?

There's no evidence the shots even prevent infection, let alone save lives.

In many places government studies are showing that people with "vaccines" are contracting covid at far higher rates than those who haven't been "vaccinated".

Peoples' lives are probably better off in every category without the shots.  Many, many more examples continue to come out to show this.

Add to that, the number 3 million is a lie.  Don't believe what the governments tell you.

[fides' Jack]

On 5/1/2021 at 7:16 AM, Peace said:

@fides' Jack I also find this whole line of reasoning that the pandemic does not offer a grave reason to be suspect. Over the past year roughly 3 million people have died from the virus. If we say conservatively that the vaccine has a 66% prevention rate (the actual reported prevention rates being much higher) then having the vaccine would have resulted in roughly 2 million lives saved. How are saving 2 million lives not a grave reason?

Let them die? The bottom line is that our other methods of attempting to lessen the impact of the virus have still resulted in over 3 million people dying.

I mean, if were were talking about some measure that would prevent 2 million babies from being aborted, there would be no disagreement that the reason is grave, no?

I've got some really, really special oil I'd like to sell you.  It can cure ANYTHING!!  It's derived from the venom of snakes, and when properly diluted and special nutrients are added to it, it's completely harmless to human tissue but kills all viruses that we tested it on, instantly.

[hakutaku]

4 hours ago, fides' Jack said:

In many places government studies are showing that people with "vaccines" are contracting covid at far higher rates than those who haven't been "vaccinated".

This is not true.  This is an outright lie.  I can't wait to see your "data" from Quackistan.

[Peace]

4 hours ago, fides' Jack said:

Do you deny the likely millions of deaths that can be attributed to the shots?  Or the millions that can be directly attributed to the lockdowns?

There's no evidence the shots even prevent infection, let alone save lives.

In many places government studies are showing that people with "vaccines" are contracting covid at far higher rates than those who haven't been "vaccinated".

Peoples' lives are probably better off in every category without the shots.  Many, many more examples continue to come out to show this.

Add to that, the number 3 million is a lie.  Don't believe what the governments tell you.

 

4 hours ago, fides' Jack said:

I've got some really, really special oil I'd like to sell you.  It can cure ANYTHING!!  It's derived from the venom of snakes, and when properly diluted and special nutrients are added to it, it's completely harmless to human tissue but kills all viruses that we tested it on, instantly.

 

 

Edited July 20, 2021 by Peace

[Mercedes]

The evidence of the need to vaccinate is rolling in in spades today...

Covid-19 hospitalizations and deaths are increasing, and the vast majority were not vaccinated 

The surge in Covid-19 cases fueled by the Delta variant and vaccine hesitancy has now led to increasing rates of hospitalizations and deaths.

Data from Johns Hopkins University shows:

-- The average number of new Covid-19 cases each day the past week was 32,278. That's a 66% jump from the average daily rate the previous week, and 145% higher than the rate from two weeks ago.

-- An average of 258 Americans died from Covid-19 each day this past week -- up 13% from the rate of daily deaths the previous week.

-- And 24,923 people are hospitalized with Covid-19, according to data from the US Department of Health and Human Services. That's a 26% increase from last week and a 50% increase from two weeks ago.

There's a common theme among those behind the worsening Covid-19 numbers, said Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and prevention: "This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated," Walensky said at a Covid-19 briefing Friday.  More than 97% of people getting hospitalized with Covid-19 now are unvaccinated, Walensky said. And 99.5% of deaths are among the unvaccinated, US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy said Sunday. Getting people vaccinated as quickly as possible "is our fastest, most effective way out of this pandemic," Murthy said.

Edited July 20, 2021 by Mercedes

[hakutaku]

Anti-intellectualism and the mass public’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-021-01112-w

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People tend to be persuaded by speakers they see as knowledgeable (that is, experts), but only when they perceive the existence of common interests5. Some groups of citizens, such as ideological conservatives4, populists6, religious fundamentalists and the like, may see experts as threatening to their social identities. Consequently, they will be less amenable to expert messages, even in times of crisis7. We thus expect citizens with higher levels of anti-intellectualism to perceive less risk from COVID-19, to engage in less social distancing and mask usage, to more frequently endorse related misperceptions and to acquire less pandemic-related information.

 

[fides' Jack]

On 7/19/2021 at 7:35 PM, Mercedes said:

More than 97% of people getting hospitalized with Covid-19 now are unvaccinated, Walensky said. And 99.5% of deaths are among the unvaccinated

Walensky lied. 

CNN has been lying since the beginning.

All of these numbers are significantly contrary to the real numbers.  A number that came out this week from the UK shows that of people being hospitalized with Covid-19, 35% have had both doses of the jabs.

Given this, there are only 3 possibilities: CNN is lying, the researches in the UK are lying, or both are lying.  It's not possible to have such a huge disparity unless someone is lying, somehow.  

Fauci should be tried for crimes against humanity.  CNN reporters and administration should be tried for crimes against humanity.  Most members of the Biden administration, as well as folks like Governors Newsom and Cuomo should be tried for crimes against humanity.  What they're doing is worse than what the Nazis did.  And at this point, they've probably killed at least as many people as the Nazis did in the concentration camps, though probably not as many as Mao killed...

I urge everyone to stay away from the likes of CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News.

On 7/25/2021 at 10:14 PM, hakutaku said:

People tend to be persuaded by speakers they see as knowledgeable (that is, experts), but only when they perceive the existence of common interests5. Some groups of citizens, such as ideological conservatives4, populists6, religious fundamentalists and the like, may see experts as threatening to their social identities. Consequently, they will be less amenable to expert messages, even in times of crisis7. We thus expect citizens with higher levels of anti-intellectualism to perceive less risk from COVID-19, to engage in less social distancing and mask usage

I wholeheartedly agree with this.  Not the rest of the statement.

But lets not forget the vitriol and attacks that the other side levied against Trump, unfairly.  It goes both ways.

Clearly this is a matter of good vs evil.  And at this point, I think most people have already picked their side.

2 minutes ago, fides' Jack said:

as threatening to their social identities

And more importantly, their spiritual identities.

[little2add]

personally, I received the vaccine with out FDA approval.

  However, To date the FDA has not approved any of the vaccines available.  
the FDA says it's working as fast as possible to fully approve COVID vaccines, so it is reasonable to be apprehensive.  
 

mandating or forcing people to use it (unapproved vaccine) against there will is  wrong.

  

[hakutaku]

On 8/6/2021 at 5:33 PM, fides' Jack said:

A number that came out this week from the UK shows that of people being hospitalized with Covid-19, 35% have had both doses of the jabs.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

89% of the UK population have had at least one vaccine dose.  40% of the COVID patients in the hospital have had at least one dose.

That means the ~11% of the population that is unvaccinated accounts for ~60% of the COVID hospitalizations.

Recall, the lie you brought to this forum was, quote:

On 7/19/2021 at 8:42 PM, fides' Jack said:

In many places government studies are showing that people with "vaccines" are contracting covid at far higher rates than those who haven't been "vaccinated".

But the data from the UK does not support this, in fact it shows the opposite.  The unvaccinated are contracting covid at far higher rates.

Edited August 8, 2021 by hakutaku

[hakutaku]

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/deep-dive-into-stupid-meet-the-growing-group-that-rejects-germ-theory/

Evidently, people are so anxious to twist the truth around COVID that they are denying the germ theory of disease.

 

[Peace]

1 hour ago, hakutaku said:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/deep-dive-into-stupid-meet-the-growing-group-that-rejects-germ-theory/

Evidently, people are so anxious to twist the truth around COVID that they are denying the germ theory of disease.

 

You believe that?! Some people will believe anything that the liberal media tells them.

Fake news people. Fake news.

There are no such things as germs.

[fides' Jack]

On 8/8/2021 at 11:54 AM, hakutaku said:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/deep-dive-into-stupid-meet-the-growing-group-that-rejects-germ-theory/

Evidently, people are so anxious to twist the truth around COVID that they are denying the germ theory of disease.

 

You mean the theory that if you survive infection, you have the greatest possible immunity, and that vaccination is a way to try to duplicate this, but always with slightly less efficiency?  Is that the theory you're talking about?  Because that's been the scientific consensus of ALL in the health industry for a hundred years, until 2020.