fides' Jack's Mega Anti-Vax Thread

[hakutaku]

1 hour ago, KnightofChrist said:

The crazies exist on the vaxxer side as well just look at Australia, they're building quarantine camps,

Wow, look what happens if you listen to the vaxxers.

As we've seen in the US, people aren't willing to voluntarily take the steps necessary to protect their neighbors.  Australia has decided that the the harms caused by this civic irresponsibility justify state enforcement of those steps.

I'm a bit sad that the US decided that 650000 lives didn't justify stricter enforcement of common sense health measures.

 

[KnightofChrist]

Before it's all over a final solution for the anti-vaxxers may be required!

 

[hakutaku]

5 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

Before it's all over a final solution for the anti-vaxxers may be required!

There is no final solution for selfish disregard of others.  Jesus gave it his best shot, but its still around.

[KnightofChrist]

Reading history I always wondered how civil societies could ever tolerate even  support putting people in Internment camps. Now I may be getting a live demonstration. 

Edited August 28, 2021 by KnightofChrist

[Mercedes]

5 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

Reading history I always wondered how civil societies could ever tolerate even  support putting people in Internment camps. Now I may be getting a live demonstration. 

Why are you calling it 'interment camps'.  People coming home from overseas spend 14 days in a quarantine hotel, if they test negative after that, they leave, if they are positive they go to hospital or stay until they are negative again.  Quarantine is the norm throughout history when dealing with highly infection serious disease.  

[KnightofChrist]

 

2 minutes ago, Mercedes said:

Why are you calling it 'interment camps'.  People coming home from overseas spend 14 days in a quarantine hotel, if they test negative after that, they leave, if they are positive they go to hospital or stay until they are negative again.  Quarantine is the norm throughout history when dealing with highly infection serious disease.  

Quarantining in hotels seems normal enough. But building large cabin style 'quarantine facilities' outside cities on farmlands, that is not at all normal. Using the fraking military to enforce lockdowns is also way out of the norm in a Democratic Republic. 

[fides' Jack]

 

2 hours ago, KnightofChrist said:

The crazies exist on the vaxxer side as well just look at Australia, they're building quarantine camps, using the military to enforce lockdowns, beating the $#/+ out of citizens that go outside, ripping children out of the arms of father's and forcing medical treatment onto the child. 

I've gotten vaccinated, but it's getting dangerously crazy, from the provaxxers. And it's starting in the US, soon we may find that without your papers you can neither buy nor sell anything. 

 

My guess is that at some point, the "papers" will comprise a mark on your forehead or right hand.

42 minutes ago, hakutaku said:

Wow, look what happens if you listen to the vaxxers.

As we've seen in the US, people aren't willing to voluntarily take the steps necessary to protect their neighbors.  Australia has decided that the the harms caused by this civic irresponsibility justify state enforcement of those steps.

I'm a bit sad that the US decided that 650000 lives didn't justify stricter enforcement of common sense health measures.

 

Heil Fauci!

No, I get it, it's coming.  I've been waiting for some time now.  Those of you who think this way honestly don't see how deranged and inhumane you've become.  God is allowing you to be blinded to the truth.

In the end, the world will pay.  And that end is not far away.  The more people think like you, the faster the world will crumble.

42 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

Before it's all over a final solution for the anti-vaxxers may be required!

 

It's possible.  Certainly the group called "anti-vaxxers" is becoming more and more synonymous with the same group of people who will be sacrificed in that final solution, whatever that happens to be in the end.

13 minutes ago, Mercedes said:

Why are you calling it 'interment camps'. 

That's exactly what it is.  

[hakutaku]

3 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

Reading history I always wondered how civil societies could ever tolerate even  support putting people in Internment camps. Now I may be getting a live demonstration. 

I think this is a great analogy.  Anti-vaxxers do view forced quarantine as equivalent to being a political prisoner.  They are so genuinely unconcerned with the wellbeing of others that they cannot understand how protecting other people's health is a valid justification for forcing them to do something they don't want to do.  Since "concern for others" is out as a motivation they understand, the only thing left is politics.

From the outside, it seems like the murderers in prison have declared the prison an internment camp for people with pro-murder political views.

[fides' Jack]

1 minute ago, hakutaku said:

I think this is a great analogy.  Anti-vaxxers do view forced quarantine as equivalent to being a political prisoner.  They are so genuinely unconcerned with the wellbeing of others that they cannot understand how protecting other people's health is a valid justification for forcing them to do something they don't want to do.  Since "concern for others" is out as a motivation they understand, the only thing left is politics.

From the outside, it seems like the murderers in prison have declared the prison an internment camp for people with pro-murder political views.

I will start by saying, I'm not an anti-vaxxer.  I am anti-Covid-"vaccines".  

That being said, we "anti-vaxxers" (since it's clear you're referring to anti-covid-vaxxers) are much, MUCH more concerned for others than you are.  Fauci is guilty of mass-murder.  Because of his policies, hundreds of millions of the world's poorest faced starvation, and continue to face it.  

It's precisely because we have a true concern for others that we're fighting this.

Love offers.  Evil imposes.

[Mercedes]

31 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

 

Quarantining in hotels seems normal enough. But building large cabin style 'quarantine facilities' outside cities on farmlands, that is not at all normal. Using the fraking military to enforce lockdowns is also way out of the norm in a Democratic Republic. 

To understand your position, do you denounce quarantine facilities en masse including those created for black plague, yellow fever, cholera etc etc which were built to isolate sailors and passengers during those pandemics.  Or is your objection only regarding Covid quarantine?

Edited August 28, 2021 by Mercedes

[hakutaku]

6 minutes ago, fides' Jack said:

I will start by saying, I'm not an anti-vaxxer.  I am anti-Covid-"vaccines".  

That being said, we "anti-vaxxers" (since it's clear you're referring to anti-covid-vaxxers) are much, MUCH more concerned for others than you are.  Fauci is guilty of mass-murder.  Because of his policies, hundreds of millions of the world's poorest faced starvation, and continue to face it.  

It's precisely because we have a true concern for others that we're fighting this.

So why are you contradicting yourself?  If your concern is for economic impacts on starving people, you should be supporting COVID vaccines which will allow faster economic recovery.

[fides' Jack]

11 minutes ago, hakutaku said:

So why are you contradicting yourself?  If your concern is for economic impacts on starving people, you should be supporting COVID vaccines which will allow faster economic recovery.

No it won't.  The more these "vaccines" get produced and injected, the more we enslave ourselves to never seeing a real economic recovery.  The only chance we have now of seeing that recovery is for more people to say "No" to everything the world government is trying to do.

No more masks, no more covid shots, no more lockdowns, no more false imprisonments, no more lies.

[hakutaku]

1 minute ago, fides' Jack said:

No it won't.  The more these "vaccines" get produced and injected, the more we enslave ourselves to never seeing a real economic recovery. 

Why?  How will vaccines prevent economic recovery?

[fides' Jack]

Just now, hakutaku said:

Why?  How will vaccines prevent economic recovery?

Because they aren't vaccines.  That's a misnomer.  

We have absolutely no idea what the long-term impacts of this experimental gene therapy will be, because there haven't been enough studies.

Many doctors have lost their careers trying to warn people that these shots will only make people sicker.  Medical knowledge, until 2020, told us that the best immunity against all coronaviruses is through getting it and surviving it.  Even the best vaccines don't get close to natural immunity.  So these new "vaccines" are just magic?  Do you honestly believe that?

And we just forgot that actual medical science?  No, we didn't forget.  We'd just rather believe the lies, because it's easier to make fun of anti-vaxxers than to admit that this time, they might be right.

[hakutaku]

2 minutes ago, fides' Jack said:

We have absolutely no idea what the long-term impacts of this experimental gene therapy will be, because there haven't been enough studies.

Calling this a gene therapy is a misnomer, this does not modify our genes.

You're contradicting yourself again though.  You have now said both:

"we don't know what the long term effects will be"

"the long term effects will be no economic recovery"

These can't both be true.  Either you know or you don't.

 

6 minutes ago, fides' Jack said:

Medical knowledge, until 2020, told us that the best immunity against all coronaviruses is through getting it and surviving it.  Even the best vaccines don't get close to natural immunity.  So these new "vaccines" are just magic?  Do you honestly believe that?

The COVID isn't unique in conferring better-than-infection immunity (e.g. the HPV vaccine).  And there are solid theoretical reason why that is so (i.e. your immune system can be trained to target less-likely-to-evolve parts of a virus via a vaccine, while it can pick any random part of a virus to attack during a real infection).

14 minutes ago, fides' Jack said:

Many doctors have lost their careers trying to warn people that these shots will only make people sicker.

4.5 billion vaccine doses have been administered worldwide.  When can we expect people to start getting sicker?

[Mercedes]

20 minutes ago, fides' Jack said:

Medical knowledge, until 2020, told us that the best immunity against all coronaviruses is through getting it and surviving it.  Even the best vaccines don't get close to natural immunity.  So these new "vaccines" are just magic?  Do you honestly believe that?

Can you site specific examples?

[KnightofChrist]

1 hour ago, Mercedes said:

To understand your position, do you denounce quarantine facilities en masse including those created for black plague, yellow fever, cholera etc etc which were built to isolate sailors and passengers during those pandemics.  Or is your objection only regarding Covid quarantine?

In historical light of Nazi concentration camps, Russian gulags and American Japanese Internment camps, *#&( no, to be quiet frank with you. 

I refuse to be groomed. 

Do you support using the military to enforce lockdowns in a free republic? Should the military be forcing people, locking people in their homes as China did?

Also, if you were an American would you support the Patriot Act? It was supposed to be temporary, Americans would only temporarily lose some freedoms for the safety and welfare of the public. At least that is how it was sold at first. Just until the war on terror was over. 20yrs later it's not temporary and any one who thinks it is, is an idiot. 

 

1 hour ago, hakutaku said:

I think this is a great analogy.  Anti-vaxxers do view forced quarantine as equivalent to being a political prisoner.  They are so genuinely unconcerned with the wellbeing of others that they cannot understand how protecting other people's health is a valid justification for forcing them to do something they don't want to do.  Since "concern for others" is out as a motivation they understand, the only thing left is politics.

From the outside, it seems like the murderers in prison have declared the prison an internment camp for people with pro-murder political views.

They're just evil wicked dirty stupid sick selfish people, I know I know. 

Edited August 28, 2021 by KnightofChrist

[hakutaku]

4 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

In historical light of Nazi concentration camps, Russian gulags and American Japanese Internment camps, *#&( no, to be quiet frank with you. 

I refuse to be groomed. 

There are certainly contexts in which that kind of stubborn resistance to authority is commendable.  But in this case it has gotten over 650,000 Americans killed.

5 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

Do you support using the military to enforce lockdowns in a free republic?

Depends on whether or not the police have the means to do so instead.

[KnightofChrist]

16 minutes ago, hakutaku said:

There are certainly contexts in which that kind of stubborn resistance to authority is commendable.  But in this case it has gotten over 650,000 Americans killed.

That is Extremism. You're making people into the virus. A large part of that number died before a vaccine was even available. Degrading people as you continue to do and or throwing those people who don't want to be vaccinated into camps isn't the answer. Not in a free republic, China, Nazi Germany the only answer allowed but still the wrong answer.

16 minutes ago, hakutaku said:

Depends on whether or not the police have the means to do so instead.

The military exist to kill and immobilize enemies of the state, when it's used against the people it's meant to protect the people become the enemies of the state. A dangerous path to go down. In 20 years you may regret your support of it as I greatly and profoundly regret my former and foolish support of the Patriot Act. States do not give our freedoms back when we allow our freedoms to be taken. And it's always for the welfare of the community.

I suggest all should read this article. This will be my last post in this thread all replies to be are likely to be ignored.

Phys.Org: Using military language (and military forces) might not be the best approach to COVID and public health

Source: https://phys.org/news/2021-08-military-language-approach-covid-health.html

[Peace]

13 hours ago, fides' Jack said:

I will start by saying, I'm not an anti-vaxxer.  I am anti-Covid-"vaccines".  

That being said, we "anti-vaxxers" (since it's clear you're referring to anti-covid-vaxxers) are much, MUCH more concerned for others than you are.  Fauci is guilty of mass-murder.  Because of his policies, hundreds of millions of the world's poorest faced starvation, and continue to face it.  

It's precisely because we have a true concern for others that we're fighting this.

Love offers.  Evil imposes.

I think you are attempting to make the argument that more people have/will die due to starvation related economic slowdown caused by Fauci's policies, than have/will die due to the virus if the prevention measures he advised had not been implemented?

That is a pretty tough argument to make. And accusing someone of "Mass-murder" is a pretty serious charge unless you can back it up. That is certainly the sin of "rash-judgment" unless you can back it up.

That would be the same as me saying "People like @fides' Jack who refuse to take the vaccine and who refuse to take social distancing measures are guilty of mass-murder by causing deaths through the spread of the virus". Unless I can back that up, it's a pretty serious charge.