St Aquinas "temptation which comes from the enemy takes the form of a suggestion"

[ArciMoto]

back in a high school religion class read that according to St Thomas Aquinas "temptation which comes from the enemy takes the form of a suggestion"

https://www.newadvent.org/summa/4041.htm

since the devil acts through the power of suggestion I wonder,... is denial of man made climate change is actually the work of the devil???

said another way,... given that the devil cannot destroy the world directly,... is the devil sowing mistrust of scientific warnings of man made climate change because he wants mankind to destroy creation???

since a picture is worth a thousand words,...

NOTE in the picture trump isn't the "devil" BUT rather he is an example of an individual being influenced by the devil

also NOTE that its difficult to see the angel on trump's shoulder giving the warning 
 

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ever consider,... denial of man made climate change is actually the work of the devil

and the reason,... the devil is sowing mistrust of scientific warnings of man made climate change because, he wants mankind to destroy creation

but because of the devil's influence,... this warning is not being heard

yet another example of St Thomas Aquinas idea that "temptation which comes from the enemy takes the form of a suggestion" is prosperity theology

https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/religion-and-philosophy/apologetics/the-dangers-of-the-prosperity-gospel.html

since a picture is worth a thousand words consider,...

the reason I bring up the false teaching of the "prosperity gospel" is because at its core its all about the worship of money and material goods (which jesus gave his disciples warnings/teachings about),... AND seems consumption of material goods (which have to be produced and shipped) cause lots of environmental damage

https://www.sciencealert.com/consumers-have-a-bigger-impact-on-the-environment-than-anything-else-study-finds

thoughts???

 

[KnightofChrist]

Some years ago WikiLeaks provided documents showing how US and UN climate change scientists falsified and manipulated data. The Father of Lies can be found on both sides. Which makes it hard for some to trust our leaders. That would at least reduce culpability or guilt of those that are critical of climate change. 

[ArciMoto]

16 hours ago, KnightofChrist said:

Some years ago WikiLeaks provided documents showing how US and UN climate change scientists falsified and manipulated data. The Father of Lies can be found on both sides. Which makes it hard for some to trust our leaders. That would at least reduce culpability or guilt of those that are critical of climate change. 

 

the WikiLeaks "climate science" data leak incident is akin to a radical zealot cherry picking biblical passages

for example, ever consider there is a biblical justification for christian women here in the USA to dress in a burqa (like what is required use by women in afghanistan)

But every woman who prays or prophesies should have her head covered. If her head is not covered, she brings shame to her head. Then she is the same as a woman who has her head shaved.
1 Corinthians 11:5 (ERV)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+11%3A5&version=ERV

A woman should learn while listening quietly and being completely willing to obey.
1 Timothy 2:11 (ERV)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+2%3A11&version=ERV

capeesh?!

 

...to understand why scientists are concerned about manmade climate change one needs to have a fundamental understanding of what is actually happening

annual variations in earth's orbit cause changes in the seasons,... for example summer happens in the northern hemisphere because the earth is tilted toward the sun AND winter happens in the northern hemisphere because the earth is tilted away from the sun 

long term variations (tens to hundred of thousands of years) in Earth's orbit cause changes in the climate,... for example an ice age

if we removed the human impacts of greenhouse gas emissions, earth would be in a minor cooling phase,... this is because of long term variations (tens to hundred of thousands of years) in Earth's orbit

IOW just as fall is in-between a hot summer AND a cold winter,... looking at the long term orbital cycle, we should be slowly having a "fall" climate

BUT because humanity (since the start of the industrial revolution) has released many thousands of gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere (and because CO2 traps heat),... the average temperature changed since the industrial revolution has risen by more than 1 degree C (2.07 degrees F)

FYI because of the "yuge" amounts of fossil fuels burned every day (the world uses about 100 million barrels per day AND a single barrel of crude oil is equivalent to 42 gallons) science measures CO2 released in gigatons,... where a gigaton is the weight of a cubic kilometer of water

basically if one starts by looking at the chemical combustion process of all the various hydrocarbon fuels such as coal, methane, gasoline, diesel, etc. 

 

the amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere by humanity (since the start of the industrial revolution) is pretty dramatic,... basically CO2 in the atmosphere has risen about 50% percent

 

 

and here is something scientist find troubling,... even if humanity by some miracle stopped burning all fossil fuels today, CO2 (which is a very stable molecule) would remain in the atmosphere hundreds of years, or more,... and because CO2 traps heat, earth's average temperature would continue to rise for hundreds of years, or more

BTW if you think a 1 degree C (2.07 degrees F) rise in average temperature isn't a big deal,... consider the human body which is something around 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit (or 37 degrees Celsius),... right now the planet has something akin to a low grade fever

https://www.healthpages.org/health-a-z/the-99-8-fever-what-you-need-to-know-about-low-grade-fevers/

all forms of life live w/ in narrow range of temperatures (humans and agriculture crops for example),... when temperatures rise and gets out of that narrow comfort zone range,... life becomes more difficult/impossible

bottom line what climate science is trying to warn the public about is gigatons of CO2 being dumped into the atmosphere by humanity is making life more difficult, perhaps impossible

[ArciMoto]

figure some might get a laugh of a different take-away of a biblical story

anyway many know of Noah and Moses as biblical characters who tried to warn people of impending catastrophes,... I point this fact out because scientists are akin to biblical prophets who can foresee the future

so FWIW here is some news about the first ever seen rain fall in a mountainous polar region, witnessed by scientists

https://www.wsj.com/articles/greenlands-ice-sheet-gets-rain-at-summit-for-first-time-11629476366

rain in the polar regions will speed up the melting of ice caps

when polar ice caps melt there will be global flooding

global flooding will wipe away large cities situated on coast lines all around the world
 

 

 

[ArciMoto]

"The Man that Lived by the River" is a parable of sorts about misunderstanding signs from god

 

because Jesus teaches in parables,... kinda have it stuck in my mind that the shock and awe of scientists who heard of recent rain falling on top of a mountain in the arctic circle,... as being akin to the shock and awe of Moses who came upon the burning bush

science tells us,... the arctic region since the time of Jesus, has been frozen solid

yet looking at the science news/journals we see a warming trend AND now there is rain falling in the arctic region

point being if trends continue and the Greenland ice cap melts,... science indicates there will be a global flood sorta like as described in story of Noah

since not everyone has scientific talents (as in the new testament parable of "talents"),... think an info-graphic w/ key ideas from science told in a biblical parable form, is perhaps what is needed by man made climate change deniers who describe climate science as a religion AND ironically say,... "It’s ‘A Sin’ to Believe in Climate Change"

thoughts???

 

 

 

 

[fides' Jack]

We know this is not the case because we can look at the fruits of both sides of the issue.  The climate agenda is furthered by the same people who push abortion, euthanasia, lgbt, etc...  

We are created greater than the earth.  The entire universe is worth infinitely less than one soul. 

There are no sins against the earth.  There are sins against God, Who is far more concerned about whether or not you went to Mass on Sunday than about how much CO2 your car emits.

On 8/28/2021 at 11:50 AM, ArciMoto said:

science tells us,... the arctic region since the time of Jesus, has been frozen solid

yet looking at the science news/journals we see a warming trend AND now there is rain falling in the arctic region

point being if trends continue and the Greenland ice cap melts,... science indicates there will be a global flood sorta like as described in story of Noah

Great. 

I'm much more concerned about the coming chastisement from God than a potential man-made climate catastrophe.

[ArciMoto]

On 9/8/2021 at 7:56 AM, fides' Jack said:

We know this is not the case because we can look at the fruits of both sides of the issue.  The climate agenda is furthered by the same people who push abortion, euthanasia, lgbt, etc...  

We are created greater than the earth.  The entire universe is worth infinitely less than one soul. 

There are no sins against the earth.  There are sins against God, Who is far more concerned about whether or not you went to Mass on Sunday than about how much CO2 your car emits.

 

in science there are facts which can be shown to be true,... the problem is some (most likely the majority) don't have the balls to directly face up to the truth

looking at the issue from a catholic tradition, consider the parable of the talents,... or said another way consider the "talentless" in terms of grasping science and theology

the sad simple fact of the matter is, the majority of people are "talentless" in terms of grasping science and theology,... AND in reality (according to St. Thomas Aquinas) are actually doing the devil's work

 

...basically while the devil does his work, and fooling the "talentless" in terms of grasping science and theology into believing they are following gods will

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Christians who have a strong belief in a divine Jesus may feel reasonably safe from the distortions, caricatures, and demeaning of him that we see among entertainers and postmodern scholars. But there are more subtle traps within the Church itself that snare many because they are set by preachers and teachers whom many trust.

You do not have to go far on television or the Internet—or perhaps in your own community—to find a Christian preacher who will tell you that Jesus wants you well and wealthy. This unorthodox version of Jesus' gospel is referred to as "prosperity theology" or the "health and wealth" gospel.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/biblestudies/articles/theology/prosperitytheology.html

 

 

simple truth is agents of the devil are destroyed creation,...

 

 

its been many, many years since I was in a high school religion class, but from what I recall the parable of the vineyard owner,... is a theological way to view the topic of “climate change”

...a landowner set forth a vineyard with great care and lavish attention

he then entrusted it to tenant farmers 

at harvest time, he sought his share of the produce 

yet instead of giving the owner what was due him, the tenant farmers refused, ridiculing, beating, and even killing the servants sent to collect his share 

they end by killing the owner’s own son

when jesus asks his audience what they thought the owner would do in response, they replied that he would put the men to a wretched death and lease his vineyard to other tenants who would give him the produce at the proper time

obviously, they did not realize that in the parable the landlord was actually describing them,... and that such a judgment would be upon them unless they repented

 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+21%3A33-46&version=NCB

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 18, 2021 by ArciMoto

[ArciMoto]

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must be a sign,... the end is near (repent)

 

 

 

Edited October 23, 2021 by ArciMoto

[fides' Jack]

On 9/18/2021 at 10:01 AM, ArciMoto said:

the sad simple fact of the matter is, the majority of people are "talentless" in terms of grasping science and theology,... AND in reality (according to St. Thomas Aquinas) are actually doing the devil's work

Are you saying that people who don't have talent shouldn't even try?  That's not the purpose of that passage.  But more than that, the exact people you are describing are not those who are ignorant, but those who believe in science so firmly that they let God fall to the wayside.  

"Science" based on statistics is not about truth.  

On 9/18/2021 at 10:01 AM, ArciMoto said:

simple truth is agents of the devil are destroyed creation,...

... which is exactly what you seem to want to do.

Edited January 19, 2022 by fides' Jack
Added scare quotes.

[ArciMoto]

On 1/18/2022 at 10:13 PM, fides' Jack said:

Are you saying that people who don't have talent shouldn't even try?  That's not the purpose of that passage.  But more than that, the exact people you are describing are not those who are ignorant, but those who believe in science so firmly that they let God fall to the wayside.  

"Science" based on statistics is not about truth.  

... which is exactly what you seem to want to do.

 

huh,... that's news to me,... seems you've saying quantum physics and schrodinger's equation is a hoax,... basically more fake news???

 

 

just saying quantum physics and schrodinger's equation at the university level is  essentially a probability calculation (i.e. a form of "statistics") AND FYI there are well understood practical applications

 

http://studiousguy.com/examples-quantum-physics-everyday-life/

 

 

as for the the issue of faith vs science,... personally don't see a problem because science uses evidence (from various areas) to try and understand the big picture AND fact of the is,... seems there has been a faustian bargain (on many levels) in play,...

 

 

 

NOTE that its difficult to see the angel on trump's shoulder giving the warning 
 

ever consider,... denial of man made climate change is actually the work of the devil

and the reason,... the devil is sowing mistrust of scientific warnings of man made climate change because, he wants mankind to destroy creation

but because of the devil's influence,... this warning is not being heard

 

BOTTOM LINE,... pawns of the devil are destroying creation,... so the theological question to be answered by individuals who place an importance in religion is,... are you a pawn of the devil?

 

 

[little2add]

6 hours ago, ArciMoto said:

are you a pawn of the devil?

 

Edited February 5, 2022 by little2add

[Vernon]

How many times is this guy going to recycle his lame and tired memes?

Arci, do you pray for legal protection of the unborn? We do at our church. How is that accomplished when Catholics like you support the baby killers and condemn the pro-lifers?

Edited February 7, 2022 by Vernon

[fides' Jack]

Science is not advanced by the misuse of memes.

[little2add]

 

the memes with Homer and Albert Einstein reminded me of a story or lesson Mr. Einstein once upon a time delivered to his students. (brilliant)

Allow me to digress...

Albert Einstein once wrote on a chalkboard:

9 x 1 = 9

9 x 2 = 18

9 x 3 = 27

9 x 4 = 36

9 x 5 = 45

9 x 6 = 54

9 x 7 = 63

9 x 8 = 72

9 x 9 = 81

9 x 10 = 91

Suddenly chaos erupted in the classroom because Einstein made a mistake. Obviously, the correct answer to 9 × 10 isn’t 91. And all his students ridiculed him.

 

Einstein waited for everyone to be silent and said:

 

“Despite the fact that I analyzed nine problems correctly, no one congratulated me. But when I made one mistake, everyone started laughing. This means that even if a person is successful, society will notice his slightest mistake. And they’ll like that. So don’t let criticism destroy your dreams. The only person who never makes a mistake is someone who does nothing.”

 

 

[ArciMoto]

On 2/8/2022 at 10:38 AM, fides' Jack said:

Science is not advanced by the misuse of memes.

 

just fighting fire w/ fire,...

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ArciMoto]

On 2/6/2022 at 7:05 PM, Vernon said:

How many times is this guy going to recycle his lame and tired memes?

Arci, do you pray for legal protection of the unborn? We do at our church. How is that accomplished when Catholics like you support the baby killers and condemn the pro-lifers?

 

plenty of catholics are aware and are actively working on the pro-life movement,...

 

BUT since not many catholics have the necessary physics back ground to understand that there are very serious consequences to the future of humanity by putting thousands of gigatons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere,... I'll keep plodding along like don quixote attacking stuff that does not seem kosher

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[fides' Jack]

8 minutes ago, ArciMoto said:

BUT since not many catholics have the necessary physics back ground

Neither do you.

It is impossible to have the necessary background (which is clearly not just physics) to understand all the consequences to the future of humanity.

You are perpetuating satan's plan.

[ArciMoto]

On 2/19/2022 at 5:17 PM, fides' Jack said:

Neither do you.

It is impossible to have the necessary background (which is clearly not just physics) to understand all the consequences to the future of humanity.

You are perpetuating satan's plan.

 

sigh,...

 

 

[Tabby Cat]

The devil doesn't want to destroy the planet supposedly but wants us to obey and worship his own ideas. If infact we did accidentally destroy the planet it would regenerate, the planet supposedly is eternal and eternity is a subject most can't or won't even consider. Of course though we should no be environmental vandals but good stewards of the earth's resources. I personally think it possible Street lights etc are kind of lake of fire warning that is stealing stars/angels from heaven and that cars are fire breathing dragons/oil being the decomposition of dinosaurs, yeah we are in deep doodoo but it begins as a sin(excess) & love(lack of) problem if we can't fix that we won't ever be able to be good stewards of our God given resources. 

Some prophecies are warnings and some exacts so perhaps we have to go through this end to a new beginning a new heaven & new earth or ebate that end for a new heaven new earth, either way. Fear not lil ones for God is with us.

God iz Good.

[ArciMoto]

On 3/7/2022 at 11:52 AM, Tabby Cat said:

The devil doesn't want to destroy the planet supposedly but wants us to obey and worship his own ideas. If infact we did accidentally destroy the planet it would regenerate, the planet supposedly is eternal and eternity is a subject most can't or won't even consider.

 

ever consider the catholic concepts of "freewill and predestination" and how they are related to the devil

simply stated,... the devil wants to enslave people, make people suffer AND destroy gods creation

 

Galatians 5:1 (NCB)

It was for freedom that Christ set us free. Therefore, stand firm and refuse to submit again to the yoke of slavery.

www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+5&version=NCB

 

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Predestination, as used here and unless otherwise noted, refers to the God’s plan of salvation for individuals.

www.catholicexchange.com/church-say-predestination/

 

 

having gone to catholic parochial schools before going to a public university to study physics and along the way also managed to become a trained pilot, I view the theological idea of “predestined” as akin to being the physical worlds "cause vs effect" (which can be predicted in the field of physics using math)

I also view reading scripture (and being able to put things into context) as being necessary to prevent the devil from creating hell on earth

IOW people should seriously be concerned about the fact that "temptation which comes from the enemy takes the form of a suggestion,..." according to St Thomas Aquinas

www.newadvent.org/summa/4041.htm

since the devil acts through the power of suggestion people should realize there is a battle going on between the forces of good vs evil which will determine if humanity turns the earth into a living hell by "free will"

...to illustrate how it is possible to sorta have an idea what is “determined beforehand” (in the real world) realize one thing pilots do to stay safe is learn about what not to do, so we read aircraft crash investigation reports

basically a final aircraft accident investigation report shows the "error chain" (basically the chain of events that caused an airplane crash),... so since math is the language of physics what I've added is knowledge of "bayesian math" to the mix (which is a way to get an idea of the "odds")

since a picture is worth a thousand words (AND view outcomes of "predestination") consider the case of the "miracle on the Hudson"

point of the illustration is,... the miracle on the Hudson happened because the pilot had the skill set (i.e. training) and didn't panic after accidentally having a collision w/ a flock of birds which killed the two aircraft engines just after takeoff

but looking at the decision tree illustrates there are other outcomes where a miracle would not have happened

as for the idea of predestination, the battle of good vs evil AND being able to put things in a theological context consider (looking at the decision tree diagram) and events that happened in the capital on jan 6th 2021

basically the riots in the capital on jan 6th 2021 was a not at all unexpected given there was a "faustian bargain"

 

www.britannica.com/topic/Faustian-bargain

 

 

 

likewise it is predestined there will be a great world wide flood akin to what Noah experienced that will cause humanity great suffering,... which can only be averted by humanity as a whole recognizing that we ourselves are creating a problem

 

FYI the parable of the vineyard owner,... is a theological way to view the topic of “man made climate change”

...a landowner set forth a vineyard with great care and lavish attention

he then entrusted it to tenant farmers 

at harvest time, he sought his share of the produce 

yet instead of giving the owner what was due him, the tenant farmers refused, ridiculing, beating, and even killing the servants sent to collect his share 

they end by killing the owner’s own son

when jesus asks his audience what they thought the owner would do in response, they replied that he would put the men to a wretched death and lease his vineyard to other tenants who would give him the produce at the proper time

obviously, they did not realize that in the parable the landlord was actually describing them,... and that such a judgment would be upon them unless they repented

 

www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+21%3A33-46&version=NCB

 

 

 

 

Edited March 12, 2022 by ArciMoto