"black friday" reminder (what would Jesus buy?)

[fides' Jack]

On 7/29/2023 at 9:37 PM, ArciMoto said:

However, CO2 is also likely to alter plant chemistry in ways that will denigrate plant nutrition.

Wait - you mean there is no scientific consensus that it will make plants less nutritious?  They think it might?  

I read some of the linked paper.  It's full of errors.  Like this one:

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For example, a study of spring wheat lines from the early to late 20th century did indicate that newer lines had less protein in flour; however, each cultivar also showed a decline in protein with increasing [CO2] from the early 20th century (Figure 1). As spring wheat does not outcross per se, this suggests that [CO2] is directly affecting protein concentration separate from breeding history [13].

No, it doesn't suggest that.  Correlation does not imply causation.  This doesn't take into account the pervasive use of GMOs throughout all agriculture in the Western world, which absolutely would need to be looked at before CO2.  We changed the very nature of these plants in the same time period, and they think CO2 is going to be the chief cause of a decline in protein?

There are numerous things I would consider before I would consider CO2.  Such as use of chemicals (also in the same time period), changing farming methods, changing types of plants being used, etc....  This study ignores all of those and blames it on CO2.  This is exactly why statistical "science" is not science at all.

The study you linked is bad science, and it doesn't even offer evidence of what it's suggesting.  And what it's suggesting isn't even as big of an issue as is the ability to feed more impoverished people through higher CO2 concentrations.  Moreover, as is says above, it's a hypothetical.  They don't know that for sure.  What we do know for sure is that more CO2 means, definitively, more plant growth.

On 7/29/2023 at 9:37 PM, ArciMoto said:

 

I honestly don't get it.  He's going to get rich by begging?  That's "prosperity theology"?  There's nothing wrong with begging.  And it never made anyone terribly rich.  Especially among cavemen.

[ArciMoto]

On 7/31/2023 at 8:15 AM, fides' Jack said:

I honestly don't get it.  He's going to get rich by begging?  That's "prosperity theology"?  There's nothing wrong with begging.  And it never made anyone terribly rich.

there is a number of thing you don't get,...

put a charlatan in front a crowd of idiots "with more money than brains" (and the sad truth is, the idiots don't have that much money in the first place),... so at the end of the day, the "religious" charlatan, gets a business jet (paid for by idiots)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/06/04/wealthy-televangelist-explains-his-fleet-private-jets-its-biblical-thing/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/05/29/a-televangelist-wants-his-followers-to-pay-for-a-54-million-private-jet-its-his-fourth-plane/

looking at the bigger picture the worshiping of money and consumer goods, is damaging to the environment

http://www.sciencealert.com/consumers-have-a-bigger-impact-on-the-environment-than-anything-else-study-finds

 

 

[fides' Jack]

On 8/6/2023 at 9:21 AM, ArciMoto said:

looking at the bigger picture the worshiping of money and consumer goods, is damaging to the environment

More importantly it's damaging to people's souls.  Not as damaging as is worship of the environment, though, through the pachamama or gaia or "science".

[ArciMoto]

On 8/7/2023 at 3:26 PM, fides' Jack said:

More importantly it's damaging to people's souls.  Not as damaging as is worship of the environment, though, through the pachamama or gaia or "science".

when I went to the 2018 catholic answers faith and science conference got the feeling that most everyone there read the Bible as literal truth (and seems you are of the same school of thought),... I bring this touchy issue up because learned long ago that the way one should approach theology is to put things into context (AND that the bible is a collection of 66 different books, authored by different people over time, the common theme being they were inspired by god to find the truth)

 

point being even though (for example) the prayer of st francis isn't in the Bible (and in fact something that was first published in 1912, it contains a reminder to seek out the "truth")

 

basically catholics are turning a blind eye towards the scientific truth, that climate change is indeed 'man made' 

www.ThereIsNoPlanet-b.org

 

[fides' Jack]

3 hours ago, ArciMoto said:

AND that the bible is a collection of 66 different books

That's the Protestant Bible.  We have 73.

 

3 hours ago, ArciMoto said:

basically catholics are turning a blind eye towards the scientific truth, that climate change is indeed 'man made' 

But there has always been climate change.  Especially if you believe that the Earth is billions of years old (you are correct, I do not).  

So...  even if the climate is changing currently due to anything man-made - why is that bad?  

The truth is, it's just assumed to be bad, so much so that people just accept that it is without really giving it a single thought.

Remember, as you admitted and agreed, CO2 is good for plant growth, and plants would thrive if there were 3 times the current CO2 concentration in the atmosphere.