Don John of Austria Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 [QUOTE] [QUOTE] Plants have vegetative souls, animals have animal souls, humans have immortal human souls. [/QUOTE] Straight Aristotle and in keeping with the teachings of the Church, Exactly what I ws going to say actually, very nice God Counquers.
Pio Nono Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 JMJ 7/23 - St. Apollinarius of Ravenna [quote]I agree Image and Likeness may not work on an atheist, but it should on a Christian.[/quote] Yeah, but most people who hold that animals have eternal souls (or that our souls are mutable) aren't Christian.
Don John of Austria Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 Yeah but jack van impe LOVES the Pope, and tell evangelicals that they need to lay of Catholics because we believe in the 5 "fundementals ( which we do) so we are technicly Fundementalist. So I tend to cut him some slack in the weird department. Still animals die there dead thats it, thats why I am sadder when my pets die than when a person dies, I'll seethe person agian and they are getting exsactly what they deserve, but an animal is Gone, thats just how it is.
Paladin D Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Jul 23 2004, 04:27 PM'] Yeah but jack van impe LOVES the Pope, and tell evangelicals that they need to lay of Catholics because we believe in the 5 "fundementals ( which we do) so we are technicly Fundementalist. So I tend to cut him some slack in the weird department. [/quote] I agree.
carrdero Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 Animals are entities, just as plants and people are entities. They have purpose are alive and just as able to understand as humans. They also experience death. I would say any matter that fits this criteria contains a soul.
Madonna Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 [quote name='Paladin D' date='Jul 21 2004, 11:51 AM'][b]Jack Van Impe[/b] will disagree [url="http://www.eternalanimals.com/"]http://www.eternalanimals.com/[/url] (he endores the book).[/quote] I like how he says "[i]Do pets go to heaven? This book is about the afterlife of animals from a Christian perspective. According to the Bible, all animals go to heaven! This [b]well-researched [/b] book is a comfort for those who have lost a pet."[/i] I'd love to know how you research heaven.
catholicguy Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 OK I have heard from most people that there are souls in living creatures, yet they are different (veg., animal, rational), which is supposedly from Aristotle. I have never, though, heard of any Church teaching either way. Does anyone know if the Church has spoken about this subject either for or against living beings having souls (other than humans). Thanks. God bless.
catholicguy Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 [quote name='Madonna' date='Jul 28 2004, 10:07 AM'] I like how he says "[i]Do pets go to heaven? This book is about the afterlife of animals from a Christian perspective. According to the Bible, all animals go to heaven! This [b]well-researched [/b] book is a comfort for those who have lost a pet."[/i] I'd love to know how you research heaven. [/quote] So does he think if you kill an ant/fly/termite/roach/etc, they go to Heaven, too?
God Conquers Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 Augustine speaks of the nature of the soul, as do many of the scholastics, several of whom are Saints... i.e. Their writings would not be contrary to the faith.
Madonna Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 Church Fathers and saints are not infallible. I can think of a Church Father or two that evenutally became schismatic.
God Conquers Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 I didn't mention Church Fathers... Origen is a church father but not a saint, because he became schismatic. Saint's writings are scrutinized quite closely.
Madonna Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 I apologise. You are correct. Saints are not infallible.
God Conquers Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 Their writings MUST conform to the Catholic faith, otherwise they would not be saints.
Quietfire Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 (edited) Lets see if this helps, and put some thought into this, will ya? Imagine the symbol for infinity. (that kindof 8 on its side) God is on one side of the '8' animals, plants and everything else God created are on the other side of the '8'. Man is in the middle. (stick with me here.) God is spirit. animal is soul. Now, see what's in the middle again? There is something (hum, now what is it?) that joins the two where the '8' comes together in the middle. It isnt that hard. Unless you want it to be. Edited July 28, 2004 by Quietfire
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