pionono Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 Follow the link: [url="http://www.old-oligarch.blogspot.com/2004_07_01_old-oligarch_archive.html#109082934511833844"]http://www.old-oligarch.blogspot.com/2004_...082934511833844[/url] He has a very good commentary on the issue. He also provides links to the companies that provide this stuff.
pionono Posted July 28, 2004 Author Posted July 28, 2004 This should probably not be in the debate room. If a moderator would like to move it to open mic, feel free.
God Conquers Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 Wow those things are ugly. The idea is great, but let's stay away from fabric made in 1992.
p0lar_bear Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 I have a lot of female friends, and honestly, I can't think of a single one who would be willing to go out in public wearing one of those...horribly ugly and not flattering in any way. Seems like they'd be really heavy too... Also...it would certainly kill swim times in competition...waaay to much loose fabric...
Madonna Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 I would never wear something like that. They look horribly constraining. I would wear a one piece with the long pant swim shorts over them. I think that is fairly modest.
daugher-of-Mary Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 I dunno...I've just given up swimming all together for the time being. Hearing guys in highschool talk about girls as "objects" convinced me more than ever of the necessity of modesty. What do PM guys think is modest swimming attire for girls?
popestpiusx Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 [quote name='God Conquers' date='Jul 28 2004, 09:00 AM'] Wow those things are ugly. The idea is great, but let's stay away from fabric made in 1992. [/quote] I tend to agree. The article was great but the clothes need some "reconstruction." The problem does need to be addressed as the article said.
popestpiusx Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 [quote name='daugher-of-Mary' date='Jul 28 2004, 01:40 PM'] What do PM guys think is modest swimming attire for girls? [/quote] That's the question of the day isn't it. I think the people linked inthe article have the right idea but still need to work on the design and material some.
catholicguy Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 (edited) This is so typical. "That is ugly" (sin of vanity) "That is too embarassing" (sin of pride) or "That is too cumbersome" (sin of indifference). These are the typical responses received from men and women alike when considering modesty. Rather than objectively studying the situtation, the anti-modesty supporters make secondary attempts saying "That is modest enough" when it is simply a cop-out of real modesty. This kind of thing makes me sick and further illustrates why the culture is so bad today. If 'faithful' Catholics cannot even support modesty, how can we expect secular culture to support it? By the way, I commend daughter-of-Mary for her courageous actions to promote modesty. I have actually committed myself to the same task, and I am a male! God bless. Edited July 28, 2004 by catholicguy
popestpiusx Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 [quote name='p0lar_bear' date='Jul 28 2004, 09:58 AM'] Also...it would certainly kill swim times in competition...waaay to much loose fabric... [/quote] I don't think they are intended for racing.
popestpiusx Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 [quote name='catholicguy' date='Jul 28 2004, 02:03 PM'] This is so typical. "That is ugly" (sin of vanity) "That is too embarassing" (sin of pride) or "That is too cumbersome" (sin of indifference). These are the typical responses received from men and women alike when considering modesty. Rather than objectively studying the situtation, the anti-modesty supporters make secondary attempts saying "That is modest enough" when it is simply a cop-out of real modesty. This kind of thing makes me sick and further illustrates why the culture is so bad today. If 'faithful' Catholics cannot even support modesty, how can we expect secular culture to support it? By the way, I commend daughter-of-Mary for her courageous actions to promote modesty. I have actually committed myself to the same task, and I am a male! God bless. [/quote] Ease up some, friend. I think they are referring to the specific designs in the links provided in the article.
jmjtina Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 wow, i admire them for making those swimsuits, but I have to agree that they need to be worked on. (alot) and aren't they just TOO expensive? I thought dishing out 30 bucks was expensive, but $89? It was a good read! It took me a long time but I found bathing suits that were like good muscle shirts (one piece) and wear them with shorts. when there is alot of guys at the pool or beach, I put on a sleeveless shirt. They gotta be sleeveless.
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 I think their pricing strategy works like this: "Our swimsuits use 3 times as much cloth as a normal 1-piece, so we'll make it three times the cost!" I think these kind of swimsuits would draw too much attention and would not be good active swimwear. I really don't know for sure, as I'm a guy and I'll normally just wear swim trunks. I just say no to the speedo.
cmotherofpirl Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 How are you supposed to SWIM in that get-up.? It will go over really well with the competitive swimmers and divers It will be wonderful on a surfboard. I'll wear one as long as the men wear EXACTLY the same thing. No I don't want to see mens legs - too hairy- so men will have to cover up down to their ankles.
God Conquers Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 Catholicguy.... I'm a man. I'm not sinning by saying those are ugly. In fact, neither are the women. Those bathing suits are OBJECTIVELY UGLY. No one is denoting ugliness in relation to desire to wear them for modesty (I think most agree that it is important to be modest, especially in swimwear.)
catholicguy Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 PSPX, I apologize. I did not realize that they were speaking specifically of those designs, but my point was that if the only feasible design is ugly then the only options are 1) wear the ugly design or 2) do not swim. God bless.
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted July 28, 2004 Posted July 28, 2004 I think an issue of modesty is around whom you appear in your swimwear. Many people now go to beaches just to look at the bodies on the beach. You can go to a private pool and hang out with good Christian friends and wear one-pieces and you're not being immodest. A huge problem is that society has taught people to get excited around naked or nearly naked flesh, especially in a swimming environment. Two people can be wearing exactly the same clothes and one person can look very modest while the other looks immodest. It's all about the attitude and expression individuals have in presenting themselves.
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