Kerrolicism

[ironmonk]

[b]Kerrolicism:[/b] When someone who claims to be a Roman Catholic, and does not believe in or practice Catholicism. Founded by John Kerry, but practiced by many democratic senators, and some people who attend some Catholic Parishes.

Edited August 6, 2004 by ironmonk

[Sammy Blaze]

haha
don't forget politicians in general

[Anna]

Actually, I think it was Kennedolicism before it was Kerrolicism.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Anna' date='Aug 5 2004, 10:03 PM'] Actually, I think it was Kennedolicism before it was Kerrolicism. [/quote]
It was... Kerrolicism is the latest metamorphic change that it went through... just as with all offshots of the Catholic Church, they keep changing, sometimes they split, but they're always gauranteed to infect, like a virus, good well meaning, but ignorant Catholics.




God Bless,
ironmonk

[MC Just]

LOL. My wife's Father is a Kerrolic. I try telling him he needs to listen to the church, but to no avail..

Edited August 6, 2004 by MC Just

[MorphRC]

Do you people honestly believe that a person in america can honesty follow the Church to every rule and law, and still be a senator or whatever you call them?

[St. Catherine]

[quote]Kerrolicism: When someone who claims to be a Roman Catholic, and does not believe in or practice Catholicism. Founded by John Kerry, but practiced by many democratic senators, and some people who attend some Catholic Parishes. [/quote]

Wow, I know a few people like that. Think they know more about politics than the Church.

I think I will stick with the Church after two thousand years She has survived Her share of politics.

[AnomilE]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 6 2004, 07:27 AM'] Do you people honestly believe that a person in america can honesty follow the Church to every rule and law, and still be a senator or whatever you call them? [/quote]
Yes- they can and should until they are forced out- wouldn't that be nice to see?

[MC Just]

[quote name='St. Catherine' date='Aug 6 2004, 08:24 AM']
Wow, I know a few people like that. Think they know more about politics than the Church.

I think I will stick with the Church after two thousand years She has survived Her share of politics. [/quote]
Yeah but as Fr. Angelus Shaughnessy has said, you can dialgoue with people like that until doomsday, it would take a miracle from God to change them..

[1337 k4th0l1x0r]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 6 2004, 07:27 AM'] Do you people honestly believe that a person in america can honesty follow the Church to every rule and law, and still be a senator or whatever you call them? [/quote]
I think they could, if they get elected. That's why I'm praying that Alan Keyes gets elected senator from Illinois. It's just that most people, including a whole lot of Catholics, wouldn't vote for someone who was 100% faithful to the Church on all the moral and doctrinal issues.

[St. Catherine]

[quote]Yeah but as Fr. Angelus Shaughnessy has said, you can dialgoue with people like that until doomsday, it would take a miracle from God to change them.. [/quote]

No doubt about that.

[kateri05]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 6 2004, 07:27 AM'] Do you people honestly believe that a person in america can honesty follow the Church to every rule and law, and still be a senator or whatever you call them? [/quote]
its like St. Augustine said:
"Wrong is wrong even if everybody is doing it, and right is right even if nobody is doing it."
we are all called to do the right and moral thing, no matter the cost. what kind of country have we become if we no longer desire that our leaders do the right thing, no matter what and reject the wrong?
and of course, since the Church teaches nothing that is not Truth and Good, politicians (and everyone!) should be following the Church's every rule and law

[amarkich]

I think that Morph's question is posed more toward the great conflict between Catholicism (truth) and Americanism (heresy). It is impossible for any faithful Catholic to take any vow of allegiance (including the Pledge of Allegiance) to the American government or the American people without committing a mortal sin of a false vow or the mortal sin of heresy by supporting a country which bases its authority "on the consent of the governed" (Social Contract) and not the Divine Right (properly understood, of course). Further, no faithful Catholic could defend (or vow to defend) the condemned errors that America supports, e.g., religious freedom, almost completely unabridged freedom of speech, almost completely unabridged freedom of press (all condemned by the [i]Syllabus of Errors[/i]). There are other issues with which Catholics cannot agree, especially with "defending the laws of the State" when they include abortion, contraception, divorce, legalized pornography, etc, etc. Even if the vow does not include a defense of the laws of the State, it is still impossible for a faithful Catholic to honestly take vows to protect and defend the fundamental beliefs of the American system which have been condemned by the Church (Social Contract, most if not all of the First Amendment, etc) because the Catholic would have to abandon the teachings of his faith or take a false vow. God bless.

[MC Just]

[quote name='amarkich' date='Aug 7 2004, 10:04 PM'] I think that Morph's question is posed more toward the great conflict between Catholicism (truth) and Americanism (heresy). It is impossible for any faithful Catholic to take any vow of allegiance (including the Pledge of Allegiance) to the American government or the American people without committing a mortal sin of a false vow or the mortal sin of heresy by supporting a country which bases its authority "on the consent of the governed" (Social Contract) and not the Divine Right (properly understood, of course). Further, no faithful Catholic could defend (or vow to defend) the condemned errors that America supports, e.g., religious freedom, almost completely unabridged freedom of speech, almost completely unabridged freedom of press (all condemned by the [i]Syllabus of Errors[/i]). There are other issues with which Catholics cannot agree, especially with "defending the laws of the State" when they include abortion, contraception, divorce, legalized pornography, etc, etc. Even if the vow does not include a defense of the laws of the State, it is still impossible for a faithful Catholic to honestly take vows to protect and defend the fundamental beliefs of the American system which have been condemned by the Church (Social Contract, most if not all of the First Amendment, etc) because the Catholic would have to abandon the teachings of his faith or take a false vow. God bless. [/quote]
That's why our church is having such a hardtime here. The Catholic Faith is not compatible with this country and it's culture.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

My father's side of the family, save my father and grandfather, are all Kerrolics.

Can we form a support group?

[St. Catherine]

There was a truck with a Kerry for president bumper sticker in our church parking lot today....... What is even worse I think the person who drives that truck is related to me.

[Matty_boy]

So MorphRC goes into the wonderful argument of "nobody can follow all the rules of the Catholic Church and be a Senator, so they might as well not follow any of the rules of the Catholic Church." That's the biggest load of [i]fill in the blank[/i] I've ever heard. We're all supposed to strive for perfection, and if we fall, we get back up. John Kerry spits in the face of the Catholic Church by putting his political life before his Catholic faith or lack thereof.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Matty_boy' date='Aug 8 2004, 02:48 PM'] So MorphRC goes into the wonderful argument of "nobody can follow all the rules of the Catholic Church and be a Senator, so they might as well not follow any of the rules of the Catholic Church."  That's the biggest load of [i]fill in the blank[/i] I've ever heard.  We're all supposed to strive for perfection, and if we fall, we get back up.  John Kerry spits in the face of the Catholic Church by putting his political life before his Catholic faith or lack thereof. [/quote]
Indeed.

If I wanted to use that excuse, I would be living a sexually sinful life right now.

Edited August 8, 2004 by Paladin D

[ironmonk]

[quote name='St. Catherine' date='Aug 8 2004, 02:31 PM'] There was a truck with a Kerry for president bumper sticker in our church parking lot today....... What is even worse I think the person who drives that truck is related to me. [/quote]
Sister,

Speak up, speak out, let'em know for Christ.

Print up some things that the bishops stated, and make sure to talk to them in a sincere tone. Maybe not start off directly talking about that, but depending on them, start with something to get them open to a dialog about Catholic teaching, then lead it into the following.... (or start with this, it'll be something that only you can know... and most of all, be sure to pray before talking to them)

[url="http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/bishopStatement.html"]http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/b...pStatement.html[/url]


God Bless,
ironmonk

[gopherball33]

[quote name='amarkich' date='Aug 8 2004, 12:04 AM'] I). It is impossible for any faithful Catholic to take any vow of allegiance (including the Pledge of Allegiance) to the American government or the American people without committing a mortal sin of a false vow or the mortal sin of heresy by supporting a country which bases its authority "on the consent of the governed" (Social Contract) and not the Divine Right (properly understood, of course). Further, no faithful Catholic could defend (or vow to defend) the condemned errors that America supports, e.g., religious freedom, almost completely unabridged freedom of speech, almost completely unabridged freedom of press (all condemned by the [i]Syllabus of Errors[/i]). There are other issues with which Catholics cannot agree, especially with "defending the laws of the State" when they include abortion, contraception, divorce, legalized pornography, etc, etc. Even if the vow does not include a defense of the laws of the State, it is still impossible for a faithful Catholic to honestly take vows to protect and defend the fundamental beliefs of the American system which have been condemned by the Church (Social Contract, most if not all of the First Amendment, etc) because the Catholic would have to abandon the teachings of his faith or take a false vow. God bless. [/quote]
So you are saying that every Catholic student will go to hell because he says the Pledge of Allegiance. I'm sorry, but I think that view is entirely incorrect. One can show support for one's country without committing mortal sin. In the Pledge of Allegiance, it says "One Nation, UNDER GOD." This recognizes that God is a greater power tan the USA. Also, a person reciting a patriotic poem or singing a patriotic song is merely showing pride in his or her country, and that he or she is proud to be in that country instead of another. Also, you say that no Catholic could defend freedoms such as freedom of speech, religious freedom, or freedom of the press. Well, if a Catholic does not support these freedoms, then that Catholic is denying free will. I know that at my Church the hymnals have songs such as "America the Beautiful" and "The Star-Spangled Banner" in the back. We even sang one as the closing hymn around the Fourth of July. Maybe my parish is wrong, but I doubt it, since it seems Orthodox on everything else.