Kerrolicism

[Iacobus]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Aug 9 2004, 07:47 AM'] I do think he has a good point... the "Under God" clause keeps it that we follow God, but the Under God thing was not put into the Pledge until sometime in the 1940's if I remember correctly... and it was the Knights of Columbus that got it in there.

"Freedom of the press" is not something we have to support... the press should be liable for lies and the twists they do on the truth. They constantly go on which hunts to get ratings, they don't care about people.

Freedom of religion should be supported based on being able to let the muslims be muslim and not heretics within the Church... as previous Popes have stated.

Freedom of speech in so far as not going to jail for criticizing the government, but not for profanity or blasphemy


God Bless,
ironmonk [/quote]
Wow. I am agreeing with Ironmonk, that is almost a first. At least I am mostly agreeing.

Yes, the Congress insirted the "Under God" in the 1950's under Ike (or was it the 60's? I am not sure under someone else, I want to say it was Ike) in order to differencate the US and the "godless commies" in Russia. About the KoC putting it in... I havn't heard that, but I just know the why not the who (beyond Congress, I don't know who was supporting, pushing, for it).

The only point on this post which I disagree is the statement on freedom of press. I do see limits on it, yes. Lible should be wrong. And things like what Tucker did when he relivaeled the name of the CIA op is wrong. But public dissent from the goverment, not the church mind you, is needed for a healthy democary or republic to funtion. If the people don't know, they won't have the abilty to extert any real pressure in the goverment. An uninformed citizen cannot make an informed disceson. And the role of informing the people, inculding when it doesn't bode well for some, is the role of the presses. To limit what they can say, to limit public dissent, is to limit the abilty of the people to rule. And the lies in the press, some real some not, lean both ways. Cases in point? FOX News and NPR.

And I agree on the last two points and see nothing to add.

I just wanted to quote something my priest said the other day. "If you are comfortable, 100% comfortable, with what the US is today, something in your faith is broken." I think that extends beyond culture and society but into all aspects of the US. If I am 100% comfortable with any group of ideas or thoughts and not the indvilaual thoughts themselves, something in my faith is broken.

[Mateo el Feo]

From the above politicians' letter to bishops:
[quote]"For many years Catholics were denied public office by voters who feared that they would take direction from the Pope."[/quote]
Juxtapose this statement against the following text from the official [url="http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/"]"John Kerry for President" website. (link)[/url]
[quote]"And John Kerry will only nominate individuals to the federal bench whose records demonstrate a respect for the full range of constitutional rights, including the right to privacy and the right to choose."[/quote]
Translation: Faithful Catholics need not apply.

Edited August 10, 2004 by Mateo el Feo

[Anna]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 10 2004, 11:37 AM']

Its starting to get this way here. Unfortunately, guess which country, or origin of country, this is coming from? [/quote]
Looking around, I guess I'd have to say that it's almost global.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Anna' date='Aug 11 2004, 01:31 AM'] Looking around, I guess I'd have to say that it's almost global. [/quote]
Partly. But almost every Porn-store here according to this Christian-Activist group in South Australia, its coming from the massive porn industry in America. Asia contributing to the problem to

[MorphRC]

Iacobus, when did ur information change? U were stuck on the Non-Catholic group last time I saw.

[Anna]

[quote name='mmmerf' date='Aug 10 2004, 10:10 AM']
If I were the cardinal,

My reply would go something like this:




This is why it is good that I am not a cardinal, and instead, merely a cracker of wise on discussion boards. It's just that sort of letter only bothers me.

Cheers,

Dave [/quote]
Will you be my partner in the PhatMass Crusade?????

:punch: :squash: :hammer: :haha: :thatsfunny:

[mmmerf]

Gladly.

[Matty_boy]

I thin kthat if a REAL Catholic were to run for the Presidency in this election 2004, they would not win. However, there are a few solid Catholic Senators. We can't give up though. That is exactly why I'm majoring in political science. I want to be an ORTHODOX Catholic Politician. I think the reason that there aren't very many Catholics in the Senate or REAL Catholics in the Presidency is because a lot of them that run for office are only knowledgable in one or two issues. I don't think they haven't gotten elected because they were Catholic. I haven't heard a single person say "I'm not voting for so-and-so because he's Catholic." There are some people that are misinformed about Catholicism, but I don't think that has anything to do with their voting decision. There haven't been two candidates that have both been morally conservative, one Catholic and one Protestant, where people had to decide simply by denomination. Usually the Democratic candidate is morally liberal (pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage), and the Republican holds more traditional moral ideals.

[Madonna]

[quote] Do you people honestly believe that a person in america can honesty follow the Church to every rule and law, and still be a senator or whatever you call them?
[/quote]

[quote] Can a catholic follow every rule of the Church, and do you still expect him to get elected, or if he or she has already been elected, and decides to follow the rules, will be elected again? [/quote]

[url="http://www.bobbyjindal.com/"]Bobby Jindal[/url] and [url="http://santorum.senate.gov/"]Rick Santorum[/url] are two orthodox Catholic politicians. I would love to see these two as President and Vice-President.

[Iacobus]

There was a breif in the paper the other day about teh Obama Keyes races. Keyes attacked Obama's tance on abortion and other moral issues (I disagree with how Keyes worded his attack. Why can't Keyes say this is what I am for and why you should vote for me and less Don't vote for the other guy. It isn't just Keyes there are a lot of polticans who do it). But The Obama reply was that he has had every few people ask about abortion. Many (of all spectrums) ask about jobs and health care and very few are asking about abortion and gay marraige.

[Anna]

[quote name='mmmerf' date='Aug 11 2004, 01:35 PM'] Gladly.

[/quote]
Ok, but I must warn you: I, too, am all out of bubble gum.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Madonna' date='Aug 12 2004, 06:36 AM']


[url="http://www.bobbyjindal.com/"]Bobby Jindal[/url] and [url="http://santorum.senate.gov/"]Rick Santorum[/url] are two orthodox Catholic politicians. I would love to see these two as President and Vice-President. [/quote]
kool

[M.SIGGA]

Bobby's running for my district. I'd say give'em some more experience first. He shot the state's health care system straight to hell.

[MorphRC]

Our current Gov done a good job of that

[Madonna]

[quote name='M.SIGGA' date='Aug 12 2004, 01:19 AM'] Bobby's running for my district. I'd say give'em some more experience first. He shot the state's health care system straight to hell. [/quote]
Mine too. That's why I mentioned him. I love Bobby Jindal. I have never gotten so upset about an election as I did when he lost for governor. Kathleen Blanco used warped advertising. I got calls and mail from her campaign headquarters saying that Bobby Jindal is "anti-woman" b/c of health care issues. I have never been so mad about an election before.

[MorphRC]

The only Catholic guy i know in the aus gov, is Sen. Abbott. hes totally against abortion. He called it 'the easy way out' a few months ago and all the pro-choice murderers had hizzy fits

[kateri05]

[quote name='St. Catherine' date='Aug 8 2004, 12:31 PM'] There was a truck with a Kerry for president bumper sticker in our church parking lot today....... What is even worse I think the person who drives that truck is related to me. [/quote]
oh i feel for you: there's a car with a kerry bumper sticker in the archdiocese of LA's office parking lot, where i work... i've even talked to the woman. iwanted to ask her, don't you love babies? please don't vote for Kerry

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='kateri05' date='Aug 13 2004, 07:45 PM'] oh i feel for you: there's a car with a kerry bumper sticker in the archdiocese of LA's office parking lot, where i work... i've even talked to the woman. iwanted to ask her, don't you love babies? please don't vote for Kerry [/quote]
Then do ask her.

God will take care of you , even if your diocese doesn't.