How To Combat Athesim?

[MorphRC]

[quote name='White Knight' date='Aug 12 2004, 04:17 AM'] If you wanna fight it with Basic and Advanced Science you can, but Prayer is a better weapon. [/quote]
I disagree Bro.

Prayer only works if the person is open to it. You have to open to God before he will do something. We make the first move, then he finishes it for us.

Allah Akbar!

[White Knight]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 12 2004, 03:48 AM'] I disagree Bro.

Prayer only works if the person is open to it. You have to open to God before he will do something. We make the first move, then he finishes it for us.

Allah Akbar! [/quote]
But see the Lord can "through" "prayer" can change someones heart, without us first confronting it, He can open a persons heart, without us even meeting or talking with the person, would you agree with that?


Prayer works always, Always, its a very very powerful tool & weapon.

[Aloysius]

Morph, be careful of Pelagianism. I'm not sayin your stuff is pelagian, just that you should watch out cause your statement borders on it.

it's GOD's power saving us, and if we excercise the power of free will that is a power GIVEN TO US BY GOD to be open to His Grace we will increase in Holiness. He will not infringe upon our free will (because He empowers it and gives it to us so we can use it to choose Him), but He can nudge at a person's heart. Jesus didn't infringe upon Saul's free will on the road to Damascus, but He did convert Him there.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[MorphRC]

[quote name='White Knight' date='Aug 12 2004, 07:37 PM'] But see the Lord can "through" "prayer" can change someones heart, without us first confronting it, He can open a persons heart, without us even meeting or talking with the person, would you agree with that?


Prayer works always, Always, its a very very powerful tool & weapon. [/quote]
I know God can do what he wants. I was taught that by a priest. He said in confession, when i said i dont like to pray, that God will only work when you make the first move. He doesnt wanna be doing all the work for you. Maybe he was wrong.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Aug 12 2004, 07:44 PM'] Morph, be careful of Pelagianism. I'm not sayin your stuff is pelagian, just that you should watch out cause your statement borders on it.

it's GOD's power saving us, and if we excercise the power of free will that is a power GIVEN TO US BY GOD to be open to His Grace we will increase in Holiness. He will not infringe upon our free will (because He empowers it and gives it to us so we can use it to choose Him), but He can nudge at a person's heart. Jesus didn't infringe upon Saul's free will on the road to Damascus, but He did convert Him there. [/quote]


Great. Im already screwing up.

[White Knight]

Sometimes, Acually in most cases, it takes prayer for you to combat athesism and previal against it with ease. Sometimes a Person is too full of themselves to believe, and there like a 10 foot thick steel door, hitting it will only dent it, its not very effective in the short run, but prayer, God can Smash that steel door open and they'd be all clear and open to ya.

[reelguy227]

thanks for the advice white knight. from now on im only going to pray, not debate .besides, im in way over my head, i told them i would pray for them and was done debating .im done debating .ill leave the rest up to God.

[White Knight]

No problem.

[Noel's angel]

White Knight saves the day again!!!!!!!!!!!

[White Knight]

Well credit doesn't go to me. goes to the LORD, because he Knew about it before I did.

[MichaelFilo]

In the debate vs pray situation, I'd suggest that you do both, if possible. While praying may open their hearts to God, you maybe the very thing God uses to open their hearts. If you are willing to pray, you should be willing to work too.

God bless,

Mikey

[Noel's angel]

True, but u said it, all credit goes to God

[White Knight]

Amen.