carrdero Posted August 8, 2004 Posted August 8, 2004 Why would a omnipotent/Supreme/Almighty/All-K(NOW)ing Being want/need/desire/require worship for? Just curious.
Brother Adam Posted August 8, 2004 Posted August 8, 2004 It is not that he "requires" worship as if something is missing in God and needs us to fill some ego trip. The adoration and worship of God draws us into a closer intimacy with Him - something that we need.
littleflower+JMJ Posted August 8, 2004 Posted August 8, 2004 we are made to love, serve and know Him...... i think worship comes in the knowledge of the greater Almighty God that He is.. Blessed be God, Blessed be His Holy Name!
Fiat_Voluntas_Tua Posted August 8, 2004 Posted August 8, 2004 Follow my thinking... God = Love Love does not = selfishness God does not = selfishness Ok that was simple right...So God is not selfish. He does not want us to love/worship Him for His sake...but rather for our's. God wants what is best for us, it is His nature since we are His children. It is like a mother making her child eat green beans...The mother knows that eating the green beans is good for the child. She doesn't want her child to eat the veggie's for her sake, but rather for the child whom she loves. We worship God bot only because He is our Father...but also because He knows what is best for us; Eternal Life. Ave Maria, Andy
Cure of Ars Posted August 8, 2004 Posted August 8, 2004 (edited) [color=blue]Justice[/color] God is infinitely good, the source of all goodness. To be just we neet to give to people what they are due. God deserves our love with all our hearts, all our souls, and all our minds. God wants us to be just. Therefore God is due our worship and He wants us to worship him. Edited August 8, 2004 by Cure of Ars
Guest JeffCR07 Posted August 9, 2004 Posted August 9, 2004 As so many others have so eloquently replied, God [i]doesn't[/i] need us to worship Him. Rather, it is [i]us[/i] who need us to worship Him. We are His creatures and His creations. Any good cop will find His fingerprints all over our souls. We are made to be in communion with Him, and we exalt in Him for making us. If we love God truly, as we were made to love Him, then we are worshipping Him, for there is no greater form of worship than love of God.
franciscanheart Posted August 9, 2004 Posted August 9, 2004 Just like Jeff and everyone before him have said, God does not need our worship but rather we need it. We need that to draw closer to him. The intimacy of our worship is awesome. What would you do without worship? If you never admired Him in all of His Glory. What an amazing Father, why not acknowledge it? Every time we acknowledge His presence and awesomeness.... we grow closer to him.
Tora-Musume Posted August 10, 2004 Posted August 10, 2004 [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Aug 8 2004, 10:43 PM'] As so many others have so eloquently replied, God [i]doesn't[/i] need us to worship Him. [/quote] In this Quote, you stated that GOD doesn't need our worship. But then again, the following quotes: [quote]Rather, it is [i]us[/i] who need us to worship Him.[/quote] You lost me on this one. [quote]thywillbedone7 Posted on Aug 8 2004, 02:57 PM God is not selfish. He does not want us to love/worship Him for His sake...but rather for our's.[/quote] This means that GOD wants us to worship him for our sake. [quote]Cure of Ars Posted on Aug 8 2004, 03:13 PM Therefore God is due our worship and He wants us to worship him. [/quote] This also means that GOD wants us to worship him. I don't understand. Please explain. Thank You!
Cure of Ars Posted August 10, 2004 Posted August 10, 2004 (edited) [quote][quote] Cure of Ars Posted on Aug 8 2004, 03:13 PM Therefore God is due our worship and He wants us to worship him. [/quote] This also means that GOD wants us to worship him. I don't understand. Please explain. Thank You! [/quote] I don’t understand what premise you do not think is true and why? You don’t think God wants us to be just? Edited August 10, 2004 by Cure of Ars
Tora-Musume Posted August 10, 2004 Posted August 10, 2004 I am just lost. I am just wondering why JeffCR07 is stating that God doesn't need us to worship Him, rather, it is us who need us to worship Him. You and thywillbedone7 stated that we should worship GOD. I am just not understanding. Am I reading this wrong? Help me out please. Thank you.
Fiat_Voluntas_Tua Posted August 10, 2004 Posted August 10, 2004 God lacks in nothing...meaning He does not need us to worship Him. He are called to worship Him because He is our Father, our Creator, our Life, our Salvation, our purpose, our Joy, our everything. Without God we lack everything. Like I said in my earlier post, God wants to be with His children...He wants His children to talk to Him and Love Him. Just like a parent wants his/her college student to call them when they leave for school. God wants us to love Him. 1 Cor. 13:4 "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not selfish, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres." God does not need us to love Him...However we need to love Him as a child loves his father. Ave Maria, Andy
Cure of Ars Posted August 10, 2004 Posted August 10, 2004 [quote name='Tora-Musume' date='Aug 9 2004, 10:27 PM'] I am just lost. I am just wondering why JeffCR07 is stating that God doesn't need us to worship Him, rather, it is us who need us to worship Him. You and thywillbedone7 stated that we should worship GOD. I am just not understanding. Am I reading this wrong? Help me out please. Thank you. [/quote] The following is one of the reasons that I believe in God and think it also shows why we should worship. [quote] 1. Every natural, innate desire in us corresponds to some real object that can satisfy that desire. 2. But there exists in us a desire which nothing in time, nothing on earth, no creature can satisfy. 3. Therefore there must exist something more than time, earth and creatures, which can satisfy this desire. 4. This something is what people call "God" and "life with God forever." [/quote] [url="http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/desire.htm"]http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/desire.htm[/url] St. Augustine said something to the effect of, O God, my heart is restless until it rests in you. I can relate to this. I defiantly know that I have a deep desire for something beyond what this earth can give me. I have a desire to be on my face before the source of all goodness, the unmoved mover, the creator, God. I have this desire because God made me to Love, know and serve him i.e. worship him. God does not need anything but we do. It is in human nature to worship.
Fiat_Voluntas_Tua Posted August 10, 2004 Posted August 10, 2004 Wasn't that one of St. Augustine's 5 proofs? Ave Maria, Andy
Cure of Ars Posted August 10, 2004 Posted August 10, 2004 [quote name='thywillbedone7' date='Aug 9 2004, 11:15 PM'] Wasn't that one of St. Augustine's 5 proofs? Ave Maria, Andy [/quote] I don't know?
Guest JeffCR07 Posted August 10, 2004 Posted August 10, 2004 Tora, Cure has said beautifully in the words of St. Augustine and logically in the words of Mr. Kreeft what I have tried to say in my previous post. I appologize for any confusion that I have caused you. God does not "need" our worship, because he is perfect and complete. Because He loves us, who are His creations, he wants us to be perfect and complete too. The only way we can do that is to love Him, and be in communion with Him. This is the essence of worship. So "worship" isnt the goal or the objective, but it is the means through which we fulfill our longing to be made perfect and whole in God. - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff
Tora-Musume Posted August 10, 2004 Posted August 10, 2004 So the difference is, it's the wants and needs. GOD does not need us to worship him, but wants us to worship him. Did I get this right?
Fiat_Voluntas_Tua Posted August 10, 2004 Posted August 10, 2004 Yes...but also God doesn't want us to worship Him for His sake...but for our sake. Ave Maria, Gratia Plena.
Guest JeffCR07 Posted August 10, 2004 Posted August 10, 2004 as long as you understand that he doesnt "want" worship in and of itself, he "wants" us to be in communion with Him and to love Him, and until we are with Him in Heaven, and worship is simply how we can do this
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