Yipes! An Abuse?

[Sinner]

Went to another Parish for Mass today. They did not consume all the Blood of Christ, but covered it and the remaining Body of Christ. After Mass, the "Eucharistic Ministers" as they called them went to the side table and consumed the "leftovers". I know it looked sad to me. It felt wrong..... was it?

-I winced, I prayed.

[Christina]

Usually, the Precious Blood is consumed by the Extraordinary Ministers or Priest right after Communion and then the Hosts that are left over are put into the Blessed Sacrament for later use.

Edited August 22, 2004 by Christina

[Justified Saint]

I had to watch painfully today as one of the extraordinary ministers ran out of consecrated hosts and went and got more from the tabernacle and dropped one on the floor as they were being transferred.

[Christina]

[quote name='Justified Saint' date='Aug 22 2004, 02:54 PM'] I had to watch painfully today as one of the extraordinary ministers ran out of consecrated hosts and went and got more from the tabernacle and dropped one on the floor as they were being transferred. [/quote]
What did they do with the Host after they picked it up?

[Justified Saint]

She picked it up and put it back in the tabernacle.

[AndreaMercer]

I think that the church needs to take greater care in training their em's. Honestly, if the em doesn't compeletely understand and accept the HUGE responsiblity that they have, how are they suposed to revere the eucharist as it should be. That makes me sad...

[toledo_jesus]

I hate needing EMs. I very rarely will take Communion where there are EMs, because I invariably sit on the side the EM distributes to. My distaste boils down to 'I don't know where they've been.' I honestly can't tell whether this person is for abortion or what. Are they even in a state of grace to receive the Eucharist themselves?
More Deacons, I says!

Edited August 26, 2004 by toledo_jesus

[picchick]

Yeah. A Extraordinary Minister or a priest (I would rather a priest) needs to consume the Blood of Christ if there'd be any that was left. If not then there is no where to put Him without a problem of spilling His Precious Blood.


Same thing with the Hosts. For example, I was on a retreat where we had Mass. The priest consecrated too many Hosts. Since there were no tabernacle he and my brother (the server) consumed them. It was done reverently.

As far as the Host falling on the floor, sometimes it happens. However there are steps that have to be taken when that does happen. The host has to be consumed. Then the spot where Jesus fell needs to be cleaned with Holy Water. It once happened at my Church and the seminarian took care of it with the Pastor.

[dUSt]

[quote name='Sinner' date='Aug 22 2004, 03:01 PM'] Went to another Parish for Mass today. They did not consume all the Blood of Christ, but covered it and the remaining Body of Christ. After Mass, the "Eucharistic Ministers" as they called them went to the side table and consumed the "leftovers". I know it looked sad to me. It felt wrong..... was it?

-I winced, I prayed. [/quote]
A churh in Arlington does this, and it made me feel uncomfortable too. I talked to an orthodox priest about it and he said that it was liturgically legal, although he doesn't see why they don't consume the remaining blood immediately after communion.

[Noel's angel]

why didnt she eat it?

[picchick]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Aug 25 2004, 11:41 PM'] I hate needing EMs. I very rarely will take Communion where there are EMs, because I invariably sit on the side the EM distributes to. My distaste boils down to 'I don't know where they've been.' I honestly can't tell whether this person is for abortion or what. Are they even in a state of grace to receive the Eucharist themselves?
More Deacons, I says! [/quote]
I agree with you. Sometimes it may be "necessary" but I mean really. There is nothing wrong with taking extra time to distribute communion with out an extra ordinary minister. Also I have seen some EM at my Church make it their "right" which is DEAD wrong.

[toledo_jesus]

yeah, everything is a right nowadays. the right to choose, the right to be a priest, the right to be an EM, etc. I hate rights!

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Aug 26 2004, 11:16 AM'] A churh in Arlington does this, and it made me feel uncomfortable too. I talked to an orthodox priest about it and he said that it was liturgically legal, although he doesn't see why they don't consume the remaining blood immediately after communion. [/quote]
dang it, Arlington is supposed to be orthodox. I mean it is compared to Richmond (though that's changing! God Bless Bishop DiLorenzo). Anyway, I need to come visit some of these parishes I keep hearing about that are apparently so much more orthodox than anything I've seen.

Edited August 26, 2004 by toledo_jesus

[picchick]

I have only seen it done right after communion.
I think that everything should be consumed right away. It takes away any risks.

[p0lar_bear]

[quote name='picchick' date='Aug 26 2004, 04:07 PM'] I agree with you. Sometimes it may be "necessary" but I mean really. There is nothing wrong with taking extra time to distribute communion with out an extra ordinary minister. Also I have seen some EM at my Church make it their "right" which is DEAD wrong. [/quote]
Taking a bit longer is fine, if you have the time. My parents parish has approx. 1700 families. There are 6 Masses at that parish every weekend (there are 4 other Catholic Churches in the town of about 20,000). If you use a conservative estimate of 3 people for families (taking into account the elderly couples and college students), you have about 850 people at each Mass. Because there are six Masses, they only have about 1 hour to have Mass and allow for change-over in the parking lot (Masses are 1 1/2 hour apart so they can fit them all in). They have two priests assigned to the parish, each takes three Masses each weekend. If the did not use EMHCs, they would not be able to provide the Eucharist even under one species to all the people, and there would never be the option of receiving under both (which, while not necessary, is a fuller sign).

[dUSt]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Aug 26 2004, 02:15 PM'] dang it, Arlington is supposed to be orthodox. I mean it is compared to Richmond (though that's changing! God Bless Bishop DiLorenzo). Anyway, I need to come visit some of these parishes I keep hearing about that are apparently so much more orthodox than anything I've seen. [/quote]
Haha. Arlington, TX - not Virginia.

[picchick]

Right. My Sunday masses too. But I am talking about like daily mass when there are about 50 ppl or smaller sunday masses.

[cappie]

From the General Instruction:

163. When the distribution of Communion is finished, the priest himself immediately andcompletely consumes at the altar any consecrated wine that happens to remain; as for anyconsecrated hosts that are left, he either consumes them at the altar or carries them to the place designated for the reservation of the Eucharist.
Upon returning to the altar, the priest collects any fragments that may remain. Then, standing at the altar or at the credence table, he purifies the paten or ciborium over the chalice then purifies the chalice, saying quietly, Quod ore sumpsimus (Lord, may I receive), and dries the chalice with a purificator. If the vessels are purified at the altar, they are carried to the credence table by a
minister. Nevertheless, it is also permitted, especially if there are several vessels to be purified, to leave them suitably covered on a corporal, either at the altar or at the credence table, and to purify them immediately after Mass following the dismissal of the people.

[cappie]

This comes from the Diocese of Pittsburg.

8. Cleansings
• The sacred vessels may be cleansed right after Communion or they may
be taken to the side table, placed on a corporal, and covered with a cloth.
They are then cleansed, normally at the side table, following the dismissal
of the people.
• If the priest cleanses the vessels during Mass, he does so at the side
of the altar or at the side table. (If cleansed at the altar, a minister
then takes the vessels to the side table.)
• If the deacon cleanses the vessels during Mass, he does so at the
side table (not at the altar).
• When need requires (and with the bishop’s permission),
extraordinary ministers of Communion may also assist with the
cleansing of vessels at the side table.
Notes:
• The ritual cleansing of vessels after Communion (whether during or
after Mass) requires that the paten be wiped over the chalice. (When
many fragments are present, it is helpful to add water, which is then
poured into the chalice.) Then water or wine and water together are
poured into the chalice and drunk by the one who cleanses it saying,
“Lord, may I receive…” The purificator is used to wipe the paten and to
dry the chalice.
• The cleansing is done by the priest or deacon or, when necessary, by
other ministers of Communion.
• After Mass, a more thorough a washing with hot water and soap and
careful drying is recommended. This may be done by the sacristan or
by others, always handling the vessels with respect. (It may be helpful
to remove any jewelry that may scratch the vessels while cleaning.)
• When particles of the Eucharistic bread adhere to the fingers, the
minister wipes the fingers over the paten. (When necessary, the
fingers are washed — over the chalice as part of the cleansing or in
another container the water of which is poured into the sacrarium.)
• Mishaps: If a particle of the Eucharistic bread should fall, it is picked
up reverently and consumed or allowed to dissolve completely in
water and then poured into the sacrarium. If any of the Precious
Blood spills, the area of the spill should be covered if necessary. As
soon as possible, the spot should be washed and the water poured
into the sacrarium.

[Sinner]

OK Father...... that seems to sum it up. So I will continue to wince and pray when I see this..... or prob will just not go back.