On Heretics

[Azriel]

Upon further reflection - I'd like to say that I may be quite wrong in my logic.

So, I ask this of CC ...

The quote from the Catechism that Cam provided (welcome, btw!):

[quote]However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by
faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right
to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."[/quote]

Quite simply: Do you believe all protestants are heretics? And, if so, how do you evangelize them? If you believe that they are all "swine and dogs" - meaning that we should not associate with them, how do we bring them to the Fullness of Truth? Or are we all just supposed to be born into the Church?

I'm having a really hard time understanding what it is you really believe, so please help me out.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Azriel' date='Aug 31 2004, 01:30 PM'] Hey bro ... not sure who you posted this for ... but let me clarify something for everyone ...

I said what I said because CC posts regarding heretics have been rampant.  What I gather from his posts is that we, as Catholics, are never ever to associate with anyone that is not.

So, therefore in his brain ... I must have committed a mortal sin by marrying a non Catholic - since all non Catholics are obviously heretics. (realize that I'm making some logic leaps here)

Eventhough I was granted dispensation by my Dioscean Bishop - (as the Cathechism references you provided supports - and thank you for that, btw) [/quote]
I posted it for whoever needed to read it...

Our conscience will often convict us of the faults we are blind to within ourselves.

Take for example...

If someone says to another person "I don't need to tell you what you are, you know what you are."

Then typically the person's conscience will convict them and they will draw a conclusion, which is often correct. The statement prompts us to do a self reflection on what they could possibly mean.

Sometimes people think that a post I have done is directed at them... many times, they are not directed at those people, and clarification posts from them are a result... sometimes people realize something new from reading it.

It's all about growth in Christ.


On another note...
I have not seen CC being hateful at all. If he was hateful, why would he spend time trying to correct his brethern. Some people here are not ready to minister to non-Catholics... Some people needed to read his post from the Saints.

Some people who try to minister to non-Catholics might get enticed by twistings of the Church teachings and then leave the Church.

This thread was needed... and the people who need it, know who they are... It does not apply to all here who try to claim that he is being hateful... On the contrary, what is more loving than wanting to keep Christ's flock being sheparded by the people appointed by Christ?



God Bless,
ironmonk

Edited August 31, 2004 by ironmonk

[Azriel]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Aug 31 2004, 11:51 AM'] It's all about growth in Christ.


[/quote]
Amen to that bro.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

Wait, would public schools be considered totally evil by point 15? And I accidently bought a NASB once.

[kateri05]

[quote name='catholicguy' date='Aug 31 2004, 10:27 AM']

I am sorry, but this just seems humorous to me... all he did was post two quotes from Saints and an examination of the First Commandment. How exactly, may I ask, is that hate and dislike? I thought admonishing the sinner/sin was a spiritual act of mercy. [/quote]
true, but how is it a SIN to not attend catholic school? they are a bit expensive ya know