Dear Ayed,

[Cure of Ars]

Dear Ayed,

I would like to talk with you about religion. I have never discussed religion with a Moslem before so I have a lot to learn. From what I have been taught we both believe in one God. We both believe in the Old Testament prophets. We both believe that Jesus was a prophet. There are also a lot that we don’t agree with. I want to start by talking about God and I have a question. As a member of Islam, what is the greatest and most important attribute of Allah? I think the discussion over this question will help us understand each other better. God bless

[Cure of Ars]

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[JP2Iloveyou]

We both believe that Jesus was a prophet.

Actually, if you are a Christian, you do not believe that Jesus was a prophet. You believe He fulfilled what the OT prophets prophesied about. Jesus was the Son of God, not a mere prophet.

[Aloysius]

He is THE Prophet..............

not a mere prophet

[cmotherofpirl]

Prophet Priest and King!

[Cure of Ars]

Actually, if you are a Christian, you do not believe that Jesus was a prophet.  You believe He fulfilled what the OT prophets prophesied about.  Jesus was the Son of God, not a mere prophet.

I did not say that he was only a prophet. The Catechism clearly teaches that he was a prophet though.

436: The word "Christ" comes from the Greek translation of the Hebrew Messiah, which means "anointed." It became the name proper to Jesus only because he accomplished perfectly the divine mission that "Christ" signifies. In effect, in Israel those consecrated to God for a mission that he gave were anointed in his name. This was the case for kings, for priests and, in rare instances, for prophets. This had to be the case all the more so for the Messiah whom God would send to inaugurate his kingdom definitively. It was necessary that the Messiah be anointed by the Spirit of the Lord at once as king and priest, and also as prophet. Jesus fulfilled the messianic hope of Israel in his threefold office of priest, prophet, and king.

Edited September 24, 2003 by Cure of Ars

[ayed]

Thank you for your invitation.

I am just busy with my parents who had some accident.

So, please be patient with.

back soon.

[ayed]

My dear. Mr.Cure of Ars

I will , by Allah's will, contribute in this issue soon.

Could you mention any name of the Creator, Allah as I prepare answers for your question?I hope that.

Thank you in advance

ayed4all@hotmail.com

[Cure of Ars]

My dear. Mr.Cure of Ars

I will , by Allah's will, contribute in this issue soon.

Could you mention any name of the Creator, Allah as I prepare answers for your question?I hope that.

Thank you in advance

ayed4all@hotmail.com

I don't understand your question? Do you mean do I have a problem with using the word Allah for God? I don't just like I don't have a problem using the word Dios when talking with someone who is from mexico. Take your time if you have stuff going on. Allah bless

Edited September 26, 2003 by Cure of Ars

[Cure of Ars]

Ayed by the way. Here are a couple of Avatars that you might like. I would have used some with writing but I did not know what they said.

[Cure of Ars]

Here is another.

[ayed]

Dear Cure of Ars

Hi, How are you ? How you doing?

I would like to say thank you for being a member of Islam--Islam is an arabic word means “absolute submission to only single Deity--God”

I cannot clearly read these images because they are small .

The attributes mentioned in the Qur 'an and the Sunnah(prophetic Hadiths--sayings)are of two types:

1. Individual attributes

2. Attributes of actions.

Individual Attributes

Those are the attributes that are fixed constituents of Allah, constant parts of His very being. They include knowledge, life, power, hearing, seeing, the face, the hands, speech, sovereignty, majesty, exaltation, self sufficiency, mercy and wisdom.

The Attributes of Actions

Those are the attributes connected with Allah's Will and Power, such as His occupation of the Throne, His descent, marveling, laughter, pleasure, love, detestation, wrath, joy, anger, stratagem and cunning.

Our obligation towards both types of attributes is confirming their ascription to Allah, Glorious and Mighty is He, in accordance with meanings that befit His perfection. Those are the real meanings that are devoid of any comparison, negation, or false interpretation.

Allah’s names , 99 :

Allah The Manifest The Last

The Just The Forgiving The Oft-Pardoning

The Singular The Highest The High

The All Knowing The Most Magnificent The First

The Mighty The Munificent The Extender

The Originator The Inward The All Seeing

The Generous The Judge, The Opener The Forgiving

The Oft-Forgiving The Most Forgiving The All Forgiving

The Director The Guardian The All-wise

The Judge The Most Forebearing The One who is Praised

The Truth The Reckoner The Shy

Al-Hayy ul-Qayyoom The Living The Deity

The Compeller The Beautiful The Bestower of Good

The Kind The Creator The Sufficient

The Most Great The All Aware The Sufficient

The Master & Owner The Preventer The King

The Most Glorious The Bestower The Most Strong

The Clear The Starter The Sufficient

The Everwaching

The Self Sufficient, The Rich

The Most Subtle,The Kind

The One Who Does What He Wills

The Recaller,The One Who Repeats Creation)

What prophet , Muhammad said about these names is this :

In the books of Sahih Muslim and Bukhari (8:419): Narrated Abu Huraira that Allah’s Prophet said “Allah has ninety-nine Names, i.e., one hundred minus one, and whoever 'ahsaha' [enumerates them, believes in them, ponders their meanings, worships Allah by them and supplicates with them, and acts by them according to one's belief in them] will enter Paradise; and Allah is Witr ("Odd", i.e. He is one, and it is an odd number) and loves 'the Witr' (i.e., odd numbers).

If you want the meaning of these names in Arabic and english , kindly, log on this :

http://99-names.com/99-names/SiteIndex.shtml

If you want to ask me personally , please do not hesitate either in private message or puplic.

Thank you in advance

Ayed

ayed4all@hotmail.com

[ayed]

Dear Cure of Ars

Hi, How are you ? How you doing?

I would like to say thank you for being a member of Islam--Islam is an arabic word means “absolute submission to only single Deity--God”

I cannot clearly read these images because they are small .

The attributes mentioned in the Qur 'an and the Sunnah(prophetic Hadiths--sayings)are of two types:

1. Individual attributes

2. Attributes of actions.

Individual Attributes

Those are the attributes that are fixed constituents of Allah, constant parts of His very being. They include knowledge, life, power, hearing, seeing, the face, the hands, speech, sovereignty, majesty, exaltation, self sufficiency, mercy and wisdom.

The Attributes of Actions

Those are the attributes connected with Allah's Will and Power, such as His occupation of the Throne, His descent, marveling, laughter, pleasure, love, detestation, wrath, joy, anger, stratagem and cunning.

Our obligation towards both types of attributes is confirming their ascription to Allah, Glorious and Mighty is He, in accordance with meanings that befit His perfection. Those are the real meanings that are devoid of any comparison, negation, or false interpretation.

Allah’s names , 99 :

Allah The Manifest The Last

The Just The Forgiving The Oft-Pardoning

The Singular The Highest The High

The All Knowing The Most Magnificent The First

The Mighty The Munificent The Extender

The Originator The Inward The All Seeing

The Generous The Judge, The Opener The Forgiving

The Oft-Forgiving The Most Forgiving The All Forgiving

The Director The Guardian The All-wise

The Judge The Most Forebearing The One who is Praised

The Truth The Reckoner The Shy

Al-Hayy ul-Qayyoom The Living The Deity

The Compeller The Beautiful The Bestower of Good

The Kind The Creator The Sufficient

The Most Great The All Aware The Sufficient

The Master & Owner The Preventer The King

The Most Glorious The Bestower The Most Strong

The Clear The Starter The Sufficient

The Everwaching

The Self Sufficient, The Rich

The Most Subtle,The Kind

The One Who Does What He Wills

The Recaller,The One Who Repeats Creation)

What prophet , Muhammad said about these names is this :

In the books of Sahih Muslim and Bukhari (8:419): Narrated Abu Huraira that Allah’s Prophet said “Allah has ninety-nine Names, i.e., one hundred minus one, and whoever 'ahsaha' [enumerates them, believes in them, ponders their meanings, worships Allah by them and supplicates with them, and acts by them according to one's belief in them] will enter Paradise; and Allah is Witr ("Odd", i.e. He is one, and it is an odd number) and loves 'the Witr' (i.e., odd numbers).

If you want the meaning of these names in Arabic and english , kindly, log on this :

http://99-names.com/99-names/SiteIndex.shtml

If you want to ask me personally , please do not hesitate either in private message or puplic.

Thank you in advance

Ayed

ayed4all@hotmail.com

[ayed]

Hi, all my dear Phatmassmates.

Cure of Ars,

Have read my answer?

If you have any question , let me know .

thank you all in advance,

ayed

ayed4all@hotmail.com

[JP2Iloveyou]

I did not say that he was only a prophet.  The Catechism clearly teaches that he was a prophet though.

You are correct. Christ was a priest, prophet. I completely misunderstood you. My bad.

[Cure of Ars]

Thanks for you reply.

I would like to say thank you for being a member of Islam--Islam is an arabic word means “absolute submission to only single Deity--God”

I don’t know if I am a member of Islam. I try to submit to the single Deity God. But I do not believe that Mohammed is Allah’s prophet. I believe this because I believe that Jesus was the fulfillment of all the prophets and he revealed all that can be humanly known about God. This is because God became man in Jesus. How he did this is a mystery but God can do anything because he is all-powerful. God did not stop being God when be became man. God did not stop being one when be became man. The most important attribute of God, for the Christian, is that God is love. (“Whoever is without love does not know God, for God is love.” 1 John 4:8) This is why he became man. Because he totally loves us and has totally given Himself to us. We have an amesome God. God became man so that He could reveal who He is and reunite us to Him. He did this so that we would no longer be slaves but members of his family. By doing this God concurred death that came through man’s sin.

Ayed where are you from?

Are there more names for Allah than the 99 given? How about the Hebrew name of God like Yahweh?

Do Moslems believe that Allah is love?

Do Moslems believe that Allah inspires the Old Testament and New Testament?

The 99 names of Allah that you gave are cool. I find no fault in them. Thanks for giving them.

Allah bless

Edited September 28, 2003 by Cure of Ars

[Aloysius]

Individual Attributes

Those are the attributes that are fixed constituents of Allah, constant parts of His very being. They include knowledge, life, power, hearing, seeing, the face, the hands, speech, sovereignty, majesty, exaltation, self sufficiency, mercy and wisdom.

as Cure of Ars asked, do Muslims believe that Allah is Love?

is love one of these attributes?

if so, what was there to love before He created anything?

[Cure of Ars]

as Cure of Ars asked, do Muslims believe that Allah is Love?

is love one of these attributes?

if so, what was there to love before He created anything?

Your stilling my thunder man. :)

[Aloysius]

:D srrry! culdn't help myself

[ayed]

Cure of Ars

sorry for being late,

Cure of ars:"Ayed where are you from?

Ayed: I am from Saudi Arabia, Riyadh

your question is one of the dangerous red lines that I will not answer .

you may ask me "Why" I say:

Allah commands us in the holy Qur'an:

O you who believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble But if you ask about them while the Qur'ân is being revealed, they will be made plain to you Allâh has forgiven that, and Allâh is Oft­Forgiving, Most Forbearing>>>Before you, a community asked such questions, then on that account they became disbelievers(Al-ma'idah --Table , 5:101~102)