Non-denominational = Individualism

[Theoketos]

BUZZZZ wrorg

A house divided will fall! These gifts do what, ie what are there fruits? I know a women who was into the occult, later converted, and had all kinds of crazy powers. www.crossveil.net

"Where the Bishops are there is the Church, and upon this Rock I shall build my Church (not churches)"

And if these gifts are from God, which some may have, it seems to me that the protestants who have them suffer from invinciable ignorence, which God would not punish.

The Spirit still moves in our seperated brethern, God does not abandone His people if the abandon Him.

[Paladin D]

I agree with dUSt. However being one who used to be [b]non-denominational[/b] like, the mindset is that [b]"organized religion"[/b] ties God up. Therefore the new trend [b]"Christianity is not religion"[/b] that is preached on TBN and implied on Christian merchandise. They view religion as man-made rituals and something that the Pharisees were ingulfed in.

So, organized religion = bad.

Claim non-denominational, claim that you want unity, but with no organized system? They want to live in a Jesus Club environment, not a Kingdom one. Why? So they won't be [b]"bound"[/b] by man-made laws, obligated to obey an earthly authority, and be a part of a system that quenches the Holy Spirit. It's this type of mindset that damages Christianity.

Edited September 9, 2004 by Paladin D

[mulls]

true, i'm a selfish individualist who makes God fit in my own little cozy box.






i guess the time i've spent here has been in vain.

[homeschoolmom]

now mulls, don't get bent out of whack!


Something that I heard on the radio last night. I think it was Chuck Coleson... He was saying how disagreements within the body of Christ are good! Because it leads to splintering off and ultimately more ministries... I was shocked! I almost ran off the road...

read my sig...

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='mulls' date='Sep 9 2004, 12:18 PM'] true, i'm a selfish individualist who makes God fit in my own little cozy box.






i guess the time i've spent here has been in vain. [/quote]
ahhh mulls, don't say that!

we're not saying you're selfish. we just see individualism at the heart of division. the belief that one could interpret the bible for oneself is at the heart of the reformation, is it not? the rejection of the authority of God's Church is at the heart of the reformation, is it not?

division has always been a sensitive topic for catholics. even tho it may only be implicitly or even subconsciously, a rejection of the authority of the Church or a choice towards another denomination (or the decision to create your own denomination) is a rejection of Catholicism.

it hurts our feelings well, at least it hurts mine.

[dUSt]

[quote name='mulls' date='Sep 9 2004, 12:18 PM'] true, i'm a selfish individualist who makes God fit in my own little cozy box.

i guess the time i've spent here has been in vain. [/quote]
I wouldn't say that it's been in vain.

We're [b]all[/b] selfish to a certain degree. We [b]all[/b] try to fit God into our own cozy little boxes. I can't accuse non-denominational people of doing it without also recognizing that even I, as a Catholic, do it as well. To deny that we do this would be claiming perfection. It's important that we acknowledge our faults.

My post was an attempt to look at the whole movement in the big picture--not specifically labelling any individual, but rather attempting to make sense out of the general principle of it.

Non-denominationalism is a rejection of organized religion. You surely cannot disagree with that. So, acknowledging that, we can clearly see that it places sole discretion and interpretation of God's will, not on any body of believers, but on the self.

I posted the definition of individualism. To me, it seems a statement of fact that it is describing the basis of non-denominationalism.

Sure, to the non-denominational believer, they are following God rather than a "system". I understand the concept. I'm simply stating that the concept is one derived from the individual and that individual's assurance that what they personally believe about God is correct.

[Guest]

mulls is back
wut up kid

Edited September 9, 2004 by Guest

[hopeful1]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Sep 9 2004, 12:26 PM'] I agree with dUSt. However being one who used to be [b]non-denominational[/b] like, the mindset is that [b]"organized religion"[/b] ties God up. Therefore the new trend [b]"Christianity is not religion"[/b] that is preached on TBN and implied on Christian merchandise. They view religion as man-made rituals and something that the Pharisees were ingulfed in.

So, organized religion = bad.

Claim non-denominational, claim that you want unity, but with no organized system? They want to live in a Jesus Club environment, not a Kingdom one. Why? So they won't be [b]"bound"[/b] by man-made laws, obligated to obey an earthly authority, and be a part of a system that quenches the Holy Spirit. It's this type of mindset that damages Christianity. [/quote]
OMG! YES!!!! I have some friends that used to be catholic but now go to a nondenominational church and they seem to have this mind set! you and dust have def hit the nail on the head, if only if i could get them to see it as well. well, one of them is a teacher but so many of his beliefs have a such a catholic background to them (HE BELIEVES IN THE TRUE PRESENSE OF THE EUCHARIST!) that i have a theory if you give him a few more years for him to clear up what he thinks what it teaches about salvation and purgatory, he'll come back. My other friend, well he used to be an alterboy and THINKS he knows all about Catholicism but he had a bad relationship with his mom, parents split, gifted musician, but didn't have alot of friends and been to a few cold churches (ya know the story). I think the reason he goes now is to a ND church now is to fullfill his emotional needs and for the music (he play electric guitar there and has a christian metal band). He claims he "got saved" about 6 yrs ago, and says he respects the church and even came to morning mass with me once, but i have a feeling that trying to get him to come back will be like pulling teeth. It's hard for me sometimes b/c sometimes when he talks about his church i just want to shake him and be like " You have NO IDEA what your missing! You Don't know what you left behind!" but I'm trying to be patient with him. I guess sometimes you gotta have milk before you are given meat, but I'm praying for them both.


wow that was a long rant! sorry guys!

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Sep 9 2004, 12:26 PM'] I agree with dUSt. However being one who used to be [b]non-denominational[/b] like, the mindset is that [b]"organized religion"[/b] ties God up. Therefore the new trend [b]"Christianity is not religion"[/b] that is preached on TBN and implied on Christian merchandise. They view religion as man-made rituals and something that the Pharisees were ingulfed in.

So, organized religion = bad.

Claim non-denominational, claim that you want unity, but with no organized system? They want to live in a Jesus Club environment, not a Kingdom one. Why? So they won't be [b]"bound"[/b] by man-made laws, obligated to obey an earthly authority, and be a part of a system that quenches the Holy Spirit. It's this type of mindset that damages Christianity. [/quote]
Just a note: The tone of this post was not out of anger, I was in a rather good mood that day. So for those who are non-denominational, please realize I didn't mean it in a harsh way.

[Sinner]

Well if you don't like it you can always start your own church.