Reformists

[StColette]

[quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Nov 15 2004, 05:41 PM'] NO, YOU have a lot to learn. Missing Mass IS a mortal sin. Is it not embarrassing that a PROTESTANT knows more about the Faith than you do?
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You know corrections can be made without ridiculing the person

[CatholicCrusader]

[quote name='StColette' date='Nov 15 2004, 06:42 PM'] You know corrections can be made without ridiculing the person [/quote]
I corrected her the exact same way she corrected noncatholicname

I figured either: 1) it wouldn't upset her, since she did it herself, or 2) she would realized "oh, what I said was not very nice--maybe I shouldn't correct people like that". Either way, I think that what I said was an effective way of accomplishing the goal.

*Edit: As far as the comment asking if it was embarrassing to know less than a protestant about the Church, the goal was to have Quietfire say: "yes" and to hopefully seek out a good examination of conscience and do more reading about the Church instead, maybe, than on phatmass. If that was an ineffective way to do that, then I am sorry Quietfire. I hope you will do that, though, as it is not a good thing to not have an informed conscience as to what is and is not sin and whether or not it is mortal.

Edited November 15, 2004 by CatholicCrusader

[noncatholicname]

And all the people burned at the stake for heresy? All a misunderstanding?

[noncatholicname]

[quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Nov 15 2004, 05:49 PM'] I corrected her the exact same way she corrected noncatholicname

I figured either: 1) it wouldn't upset her, since she did it herself, or 2) she would realized "oh, what I said was not very nice--maybe I shouldn't correct people like that". Either way, I think that what I said was an effective way of accomplishing the goal. [/quote]
Actually, I didn't take any offense at all. I know I'm right so you can't touch me.

[StColette]

ignore lol CC edited his post

Edited November 15, 2004 by StColette

[StColette]

[quote name='noncatholicname' date='Nov 15 2004, 05:50 PM'] And all the people burned at the stake for heresy? All a misunderstanding? [/quote]
I personally don't take to kindly to the whole burning at the stake thing, but one must also realize that this occured on both sides of the line, not just from the Catholic Church, it occured among those involved in spreading the Reformation.

[Guest Aluigi]

God saw it as important enough to specify it in the ten commandments. you cannot make holy the Lord's Day in the days of the New Covenant without attending the Holy Mass!

(but when you cannot make it, you are not culpable. for example: i'm sick. i missed like 4 days of school. last sunday, my mom said i shouldn't go to mass because i couldn't stop coughing. reluctantly, i agreed with her. in that case, i still made the intention to make the day holy and said prayers and read spiritual things, but i was unable to go to Mass. it would seem no one has any culpability for this sin, unless germs can be culpable of sin..)

[CatholicCrusader]

Ignore StColette edited her post Edited November 15, 2004 by CatholicCrusader

[noncatholicname]

[quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Nov 15 2004, 05:41 PM']
Here we see the perfect example of the "great Vatican II has done": hardly and if any catechesis whatsoever... I am come on-- protestants who hate the Church know more than those who claim to be Catholic, and even those who are actively involved in Catholic message boards. I suppose this reflects on phatmass, as well. Quietfire is very involved here, yet she has not read that it is a mortal sin to miss Mass on Sunday or Holy Days of Obligation? [/quote]
Actually, [i]anyone[/i] can look smart and scholarly by googling.

But I digress.

[StColette]

[quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Nov 15 2004, 05:54 PM'] I made an edit on my last post about that to clarify. I figured that afterward... [/quote]
I saw ty, I edited mine as well lol

[CatholicCrusader]

[quote name='StColette' date='Nov 15 2004, 06:54 PM'] I personally don't take to kindly to the whole burning at the stake thing, but one must also realize that this occured on both sides of the line, not just from the Catholic Church, it occured among those involved in spreading the Reformation. [/quote]
There is nothing wrong with burning at the stake... if I lived at the time, I would be happy to do as the Church and the Pope instructed, up to and certainly including being an Inquisitor and burning heretics for their MORTAL SIN of heresy.

[noncatholicname]

[quote name='StColette' date='Nov 15 2004, 05:54 PM'] I personally don't take to kindly to the whole burning at the stake thing, but one must also realize that this occured on both sides of the line, not just from the Catholic Church, it occured among those involved in spreading the Reformation. [/quote]
I personally don't take kindly to it either, which is why I brought it up. Was it just a sign of the culture? A culture where duels were legal and church authorities of all kinds ministered capitol punishment? Or was it tit for tat? And a big misunderstanding to boot?

[CatholicCrusader]

[quote name='noncatholicname' date='Nov 15 2004, 06:58 PM'] I personally don't take kindly to it either, which is why I brought it up. Was it just a sign of the culture? A culture where duels were legal and church authorities of all kinds ministered capitol punishment? Or was it tit for tat? And a big misunderstanding to boot? [/quote]
The Church didn't administer the punishment; the State did. The Church merely held the trial as to whether or not the person was a heretic, and there is, again, nothing wrong with putting an heretic to death for the mortal sin of heresy, according to the Church and St. Thomas Aquinas. If those who kill the body are put to death, all the more should those who kill the soul be put to death, as the soul is infinitely more important than the body.

[noncatholicname]

[quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Nov 15 2004, 05:56 PM'] There is nothing wrong with burning at the stake... if I lived at the time, I would be happy to do as the Church and the Pope instructed, up to and certainly including being an Inquisitor and burning heretics for their MORTAL SIN of heresy. [/quote]
WOW!

Nevermind.

[Guest Aluigi]

Truce of God and Peace of God, Church documents attempting to tame the barbaric practices of the day:
[url="http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/t-of-god.html"]http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/t-of-god.html[/url]
[url="http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/pc-of-god.html"]http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/pc-of-god.html[/url]

The Church has always been at the forefront of making trials fair. One of them Pope Innocents got rid of trial by ordeals, like you're guilty if you don't win this battle with your accuser or something... causing the start of the trial system.

capital punishment has been used by everyone since the begining of civilization, it was important for the protection of society and without it civilization never would have built up! (there would've been too much murder and adultury and all that if there had not been high consequences for such things, and Christendom never would've built up, and western civilization would've collapsed!)

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='noncatholicname' date='Nov 15 2004, 07:04 PM'] WOW!

Nevermind. [/quote]
Please note the little "I do not rep the Church" badge on CatholicCrusader...

[noncatholicname]

[quote name='Raphael' date='Nov 15 2004, 06:05 PM'] Please note the little "I do not rep the Church" badge on CatholicCrusader... [/quote]
Please note, I don't care what it says under his name.

[Guest Aluigi]

Please note, without burning at the stake there would have been no order and civilization would still be in the ruins of the Roman Empire.

Edited November 15, 2004 by Aluigi

[StColette]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Nov 15 2004, 06:08 PM'] Please note, without burning at the steak [/quote]
mmmm steak lol sorry Al I couldn't help it lol

[Guest Aluigi]

:nanny: anyway, i stand by my position, if there had never been capital punishment there would ahve been no order in society and we'd still be in the ruins of the Roman Empire.