Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 23 2004, 02:00 AM'] IRA stands for a unified Ireland. That is the whole point of the organization. So you are against that. No no no. nice twist, see this is why I save my work on here now. I said its hypocritical of the US Admin to call others terrorists, when it is one itself. [/quote] No, the IRA stands for an Ireland of segregation, where non-Catholics are killed and exiled in mass numbers. I'm against that. And I am saying that you ally with terrorists and call the US a terrorist country. That is hypocrisy.
MorphRC Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Sep 23 2004, 04:33 PM'] Does the IRA employ bad ways to get their independence? Just because you're against a group does not mean you don't support their cause. This is way too often what people think. [/quote] The IRA has been on ceasefire since 1994. There are two groups, splinter groups that have been known to do kidnappings and bank robberies to support their cause. Ive never heard of the IRA doing that. The CIRA[i believe], have taken out their targets, and tasks, without killing anyone but the target. The PIRA are still active, and the INLA.
MorphRC Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Sep 23 2004, 04:34 PM'] No, the IRA stands for an Ireland of segregation, where non-Catholics are killed and exiled in mass numbers. I'm against that. And I am saying that you ally with terrorists and call the US a terrorist country. That is hypocrisy. [/quote] Lol. Where do you get this?? Its gotta be fox news! Sinn Fein is the political wing of the IRA, yet they dont want all non-caths dead and murdered. Can u get a source for that.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 23 2004, 02:09 AM'] Lol. Where do you get this?? Its gotta be fox news! Sinn Fein is the political wing of the IRA, yet they dont want all non-caths dead and murdered. Can u get a source for that. [/quote] A terrorist organization always wants evil. FoxNews said no such thing. It can be gathered from the obvious political motivations guiding the group.
MorphRC Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Sep 23 2004, 04:44 PM'] A terrorist organization always wants evil. FoxNews said no such thing. It can be gathered from the obvious political motivations guiding the group. [/quote] source plz.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 23 2004, 02:16 AM'] source plz. [/quote] I'm too tired for this... You honestly mean to tell me that you can't see with your own eyes the motivation involved in this? The IRA bombs civilians for the purpose of terrorizing them into leaving the country. That is terrorism designed to exile a population and kill others.
qfnol31 Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 The Provos Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA) Description Radical terrorist group formed in 1969 as clandestine armed wing of Sinn Fein, a legal political movement dedicated to removing British forces from Northern Ireland and unifying Ireland. Has a Marxist orientation. Organized into small, tightly knit cells under the leadership of the Army Council. Activities Bombings, assassinations, kidnappings, punishment beatings, extortion, and robberies. Targets have included senior British Government officials, British military and police in Northern Ireland, and Northern Irish Loyalist paramilitary groups. Bombing campaigns have been conducted against train and subway stations and shopping areas on mainland Britain, as well as against British and Royal Ulster Constabulary targets in Northern Ireland and a British military facility on the European Continent. The IRA has been observing a cease-fire since July 1997 and previously observed a cease-fire from 1 September 1994 to February 1996. [url="http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/ira.htm"]http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/ira.htm[/url]
Ash Wednesday Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 23 2004, 01:02 AM'] No. If your trying to use that as an excuse, that Im somehow stupid or ignorant about it then, dont bother, a scientists can be in a lab, and still learn the truth. If your not, then ignore the above. gb [/quote] I won't imply ignorance simply because you've never been there. Maybe you're quite read up on the subject. But still I highly recommend you travel there for a while and you might be surprised at how black and white the situation really is not and how much people on both sides distort things. I mean, seriously. How do you think a lot of the commoners feel about all this? What do you say to the Irishmen that want to stay under the crown because they, while considering themselves of Irish heritage, believe in everyday life matters, they feel that is best for them and their families and they are sick of the violence? Or the British who say, let them have it and be done with it? What do you say to the complacent Irish in the south (and there are a lot of them) who really don't care what goes on there? And most of all, what do you say to the lot of them who are sick of it all? Most of those people there just want [b]peace.[/b] Other sad examples of human beings just want something to do. I don't understand why Northern Ireland can't just become their own country anyway, and just become their own small haven like San Marino or Monte Carlo. Too many stubborn people, I guess.
qfnol31 Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 [url="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/ira.htm"]http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/ira.htm[/url]
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 I posted three pages of articles the other day.
Guest T-Bone Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 I suggest we take Pete's advice and just ignore it. If this causes too much controversy, dUSt might get rid of sigs again.
MorphRC Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Sep 23 2004, 04:51 PM'] I'm too tired for this... You honestly mean to tell me that you can't see with your own eyes the motivation involved in this? The IRA bombs civilians for the purpose of terrorizing them into leaving the country. That is terrorism designed to exile a population and kill others. [/quote] I dont want excuses. I want sources. Heres mine, oy..An US media source. PBS: [b]Chronology of IRA Campaigns.[/b] [url="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ira/etc/cron.html"]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...a/etc/cron.html[/url]
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 23 2004, 02:29 AM'] I dont want excuses. I want sources. Heres mine, oy..An US media source. PBS: [b]Chronology of IRA Campaigns.[/b] [url="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ira/etc/cron.html"]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...a/etc/cron.html[/url] [/quote] I gave you three pages of sources the other day. That's more than you've given me.
Ash Wednesday Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 I have friends in Belfast that would probably say, "Aye, whay don'tweh jes' start our own country n' call it Guinness?"
MorphRC Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Sep 23 2004, 04:56 PM'] I posted three pages of articles the other day. [/quote] Yes. All Fox News. I still read them anyways.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 23 2004, 02:30 AM'] Yes. All Fox News. I still read them anyways. [/quote] If you consider them biased, then you must prove their bias. Most Americans consider your sources biased, too, especially the PBS one.
MorphRC Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='T-Bone' date='Sep 23 2004, 04:58 PM'] I suggest we take Pete's advice and just ignore it. If this causes too much controversy, dUSt might get rid of sigs again. [/quote] ill be banned by then.. just as the admin desires, so dont worry.
MorphRC Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Sep 23 2004, 05:02 PM'] Morph, do my sources mean nothing? [/quote] Im reading it now: [quote]In July 2002, the IRA reiterated its commitment to the peace process and apologized to the families of what it called “non-combatants” who had been killed or injured by the IRA. [/quote] Wonder if you'll see the CIA do that.
MorphRC Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 sigs gone. I dont want certain people, on here I respect to lose the oppurtunity.
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