Anti-christ Will Be The Next Pope?

[Paladin D]

I'm sure a lot of you have heard from many non-Catholics, that the Anti-Christ will be the next Pope. My mom claimed this, and said that prophets have foretold this...and that even John Paul II know this.

She brought up the Vision of Fatima thing (not sure exactly whats it called), but it happened in Spain. She said the remaining child that was still alive, told the Pope about the secret mystery about this, that only he knows now.

Sorry if I seem so vague, but I just heard this from my mom. Your thoughts?

[cmotherofpirl]

Your mother is totally confused.

How could the sucessor a St Peter be the anti-christ?

She has probably been reading the tabloids again, They also claim Arnold ( the acxtor running for governor) has the alien (as in ET ) votes for the election.

Many people take the prophecies of Nostradamus and the alleged prophecies of St Malachi and every year come up with some fabulous claims.

She is also referring to Fatima, and the third secret which was published some years ago.

Its just a mishmash.

Like the new agers who claim to channel spirits etc.

Unfortunately there are people out there who believe anything they see in print or hear over the back fence.

[Paladin D]

How many Fatima secrets are there? Is the last child still alive to tell them all? And where can I find these, if they are published? Or they still remain as a secret?

[PedroX]

Jack Chick claims that all the Popes are the Anti-Christ.

Many protestants believe this.

Schismatics don't believe their has been a Pope for 40 years.

Don't worry, the barque of Peter still sails, and God is still at the tiller.

peace...

[Dave]

How many Fatima secrets are there?  Is the last child still alive to tell them all?  And where can I find these, if they are published?  Or they still remain as a secret?

I believe there are 3 secrets, and they've all been published. And yes, the last child is still alive, but she's really old.

[BLAZEr]

I don't think he's referring to Fatima, but rather to Garabandal. That was a town in Spain where some children claimed have a vision of Mary. Their vision was a lot of fire and brimstone and included something about a False pope (not an Anti-Christ, in the way you think). This vision has never received church approval, and some of the things the visionaries have said Mary requires of us are just silly, because Mary doesn't have the authority to make Church law. God gave the keys to Peter, duh.

On the whole subject of revelations, we have to remember that all PRIVATE revelations (visions, locutions, etc.) the Church has the final judgement and this means two things: A. The Church decides if its authentic or not and B. We have to understand the vision WITH the Church (cum ecclesia). That means it can only be interpreted according to the teachings of Christ through scripture and tradition. And tradition and scripture both say that the Gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church. If the Pope is an anti-Christ, then Christ is a liar. He would never give the keys of the kingdom to an nit-Christ.

Which brings up a whole other point. An anti-Christ is not the devil incarnate who has come to bring about the end of the world. Only God can do that, and he will do it in his way (which makes all that Protestant mumbo jumbo about giant scorpions stinging everybody seem very very silly, not like the God of the Gospels at all). An anti-Christ is anyone so corrupted by sin that they fashion their life in opposition to god's truths and love. In this way, Hitler can be seen as an anti-Christ, as well as some heretics, and all false prophets.

[Paladin D]

Where can I find these published Fatima messages? Where and what do I look under?

[Chastisement]

I don't think he's referring to Fatima, but rather to Garabandal.  That was a town in Spain where some children claimed have a vision of Mary.  Their vision was a lot of fire and brimstone and included something about a False pope (not an Anti-Christ, in the way you think).  This vision has never received church approval, and some of the things the visionaries have said Mary requires of us are just silly, because Mary doesn't have the authority to make Church law.  God gave the keys to Peter, duh.

Yeah, that's part of the whole Chastisement business, and although it hasn't recieved church approval, it hasnt' been completely denied either.

Anyho, in regards to the anti-Christ, given that our Pope is currently ensuring that the Cardinals about him are good, honest men, true to the teachigns of the church and faithful to God, it's unlikely that any less then ideal individual will inherit the position of Pope.

[BLAZEr]

Anyho, in regards to the anti-Christ, given that our Pope is currently ensuring that the Cardinals about him are good, honest men, true to the teachigns of the church and faithful to God, it's unlikely that any less then ideal individual will inherit the position of Pope.

I just read an article today that says the Pope has appointed 104 of the current 112 Cardinals who are under 80 (only the ones under 80 can vote in the conclave). It is also suggested that the Holy Father might call a consistory in October (earlier than expected) and name some more Cardinals . . . likely, O'Malley of Boston and Rigali of Philadelphia . . . this is a good time for the Church!!

[Aloysius]

I just read an article today that says the Pope has appointed 104 of the current 112 Cardinals who are under 80 (only the ones under 80 can vote in the conclave).  It is also suggested that the Holy Father might call a consistory in October (earlier than expected) and name some more Cardinals . . . likely, O'Malley of Boston and Rigali of Philadelphia . . . this is a good time for the Church!!

duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude!!!!!!!! if O'Malley of Boston was the Pope!!!!!

DUUUUUUUUUUDE! i love that guy! ever since i saw his homily in his initiation mass as archbishop of Boston..... yeah, that guy should definitely be the next pope

.......... of course if that's the guy God wants for the job

[Chastisement]

Heh, I once had a dream that Cardinal Williams, the Cardinal of NZ, became the next Pope. :D

[Norseman82]

Yeah, I've heard that it was that St. Malachi stuff that talked about the pope after the next pope being the last pope and the end of the world happening.

What are these St. Malachi prophecies???????

[BLAZEr]

I don't know Bishop O'Malley very well, but I do know that he is well respected and loved by Bishop Chaput and Fr. Benedict Groeschel. So that gives him props in my book. Whoever the next Pope is, I pray that he is burning with an evangelical zeal like JP2.

When I was in college I remember hearing a professor in the Theology Department, (who I will not disclose as being Fr. Richard McBrian), say that this Pope was out of touch with the world and cold and mean spirited and all sorts of other slanders. He then went on to talk about how loving and gentle John XXIII was and how much the whole world loved John XXIII compared to how the whole church hates JP2 . .. and I remember thinking

"Uh, is this guy on crack? We LOVE JP2" Richard McBrian is an idiot, but I thought . . . well, I don't blame him for loving John XXIII and then I thought . . . I probably will never speak ill of any pope, but man, I don't know if I will love them as much as JP2. JP2 is MY pope. He became Pope exactly one month before I was born. He's the only Pope I've ever known, and I love Christ and the Church because JP2 has taught me how to love them. Everytime I look at JP2 I feel all happy, I get all weepy like when I look at a picture of my grandpa. When I see JP2 I see Jesus . . . with all his love, and wisdom, and suffering. Everytime I look at JP2, now that he is old and ill, I think: This is what it means to follow Christ, to work for him, with Him, right up there on the Cross. WHen I was young JP2 was young and vibrant and preaching to the whole world with a zeal like Paul . . . now he is old, and weak, and suffering . . . and I think "He's preaching to the whole world like Jesus, Crucfied in his Body, but not in his heart"

Let's hear it for JP2 . . . may God make him healthy and strong for us!

Man,

[vianney]

I hear yah I LOVE jp2. I dont know what I will do when he passes away. It will be a sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad day for me.

[cmotherofpirl]

Yeah, I've heard that it was that St. Malachi stuff that talked about the pope after the next pope being the last pope and the end of the world happening.

What are these St. Malachi prophecies???????

St Malachi was an Irish Saint who made several prophecies concerning the Church. Some were added after his death and attributed to them. THe trouble is distinguishing better the two. Most credible church historians discount all of them for that reason.

Read Trial, Tribulation and Triumph by Desmond Birch if you want to learn about Church accepted prophecy.

[mark4IHM]

Paladin,

You were wondering about the Secret of Fatima. It was given by Our Lady to three Portuguese children on July 13, 1917. I'll give you the message as Sister Lucy (one of the seers) presented it in her memoirs. The message is in italics, I've added some explanatory paragraphs in brackets to give context.

(Before giving the Secret Our Lady showed the three children a terrifying vision of hell, complete with fire, demons, and burning souls in eternal agony. When this vision ended Our Lady said):

"You have seen hell, where the souls of poor sinners go. To

save them God wishes to establish in the world devotion to

my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many

souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is

going to end, but if people do not cease offending God, a

worse one will break out during the reign of Pius XI. When

you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that

this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to

punish the world for its crimes by means of wars, famine,

and persecution of the Church and of the Holy Father.

(This was a prophecy of the Second World War, which began in 1938, under the reign of Pius XI, when Germany annexed Austria.)

“To prevent this I shall come to ask for the consecration of

Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of

Reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are

heeded, Russia will be converted and there will be peace; if

not, she will spread her errors throughout the world,

causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will

be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer,

various nations will be annihilated. In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved...

(It is likely that this unfinished sentence is the beginning of the Third Secret. Sister Lucy has never revealed it publicly, but the entire text of the third Secret was sent to the Vatican in 1958. After telling the children the rest of the third Secret Our Lady concludes):

"In the end My Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy

Father will consecrate Russia to me, and a certain period of

peace will be granted to the world."

The Fatima Secret is commonly spoken of as three secrets. The first is the vision of hell and the remedy of devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. The second Secret concerns the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and the consequences if this is not done. The third Secret remains unpublished. The Vatican has declared that it has been published, but in the CDF document claiming this no account was taken of Our Lady's words beginning the the third Secret: "In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved..." or the rest of Our Lady's words.

From what has been said about the third Secret by those few who have read it, it seems to concern a great falling away from the faith. We don't know if an anti-pope is mentioned in the third Secret. Sister Lucy and Father Alonso, the Church appointed historian of Fatima, have hinted that it may concern instead "grave pastoral negligence of the upper hierarchy" and a "diabolical disorientation" that leads many religious and laity away from the faith.

Hope this helps.

[Anna]

In other words, Paladin, Our Blessed Mother warned that the gates of hell would do whatever they could to destroy her Son, Our Lord's Church. (Of course, Satan won't succeed in destroying the Church altogether, but he'll be happy with getting as many souls to leave the Church as possible. He'll spread whatever lies he can. He'll tempt every soul with their greatest weaknesses.)

One of our greatest protections against anything that would separate us from Jesus and His Church, is keeping close to His Mother.

She is the Woman of Genesis, whose Seed crushes the Serpent. She holds the Christ Child in her arms, both in the stable of Bethlehem, and at the foot of the cross on Calvary. She is the Woman of Revelation, crowned with a crown of twelve stars, and the moon under her feet.

And now, she, good and faithful servant, is united with her Son and Lord and Savior in heaven.

She intercedes for us in our necessities, just as she interceded with Christ on behalf of her friends at the wedding feast of Cana. Scripture shows that by her influence, loving request, and faithful trust in her beloved Son and Lord, her benefactors receive favors from Him that He might not otherwise have granted.

Jesus loves His mom that much. So, He will even consider special favors for those who also love His mom.

No, we don't worship her. But we believe that she is with Him. And we believe that she intercedes in a powerful way for us. And we believe that Christ would not break the commandments. He will always honor His mother.

We try to be like Christ, and we honor her as our own Mother.

That makes us brothers and sisters of Christ!

She is one of the Great Cloud of Witnesses who constantly pray before the throne of God on our behalf.

Boy, does that make Satan angry.

Pax Christi. <><

[BLAZEr]

I want to make it very clear that the Third Secret of Fatima has been revealed.

You can read it for yourself here:

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=13293

You should also read what the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has to say about the third secret:

http://www.petersnet.net/research/retrieve...cfm?RecNum=2843

Now, some people dispute that this is the "real" third secret and that the Vatican is trying to cover up the gory prophecy that is really contained in the Third Secret. I say, "Hogwash!" Why would JP2 lie to us about this prophecy.

The point that John Paul II has driven home about this apparition is that Mary is with us at all moments of our lives and that she wants us to turn to her maternal care and to carry out Christs mission. Our Holy Father was shot on the anniversary of Fatima. He believes that Mary's intercession as Our Lady of Fatima, saved his life. He made the Saturday Devotion when he was young and all his life as a priest and bishop. He believes that Mary interceded to demonstrate how glorious her intercession is to those who turn to her and go with her to Christ.

[mark4IHM]

Sorry, BLAZEr,

I must disagree with you. The third Secret of Fatima has not been revealed. If it had, we would know what Our Lady said after she told the seers, "In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved..."

Neither have the other Fatima prophesies been fulfilled, for Our Lady said that when they were Russia would be converted to the Catholic faith, and "a certain period of peace" will be given to the world. We continue to await both these events.

[cmotherofpirl]

Sorry, BLAZEr,

I must disagree with you. The third Secret of Fatima has not been revealed. If it had, we would know what Our Lady said after she told the seers, "In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved..."

Neither have the other Fatima prophesies been fulfilled, for Our Lady said that when they were Russia would be converted to the Catholic faith, and "a certain period of peace" will be given to the world. We continue to await both these events.

If the Church says it was revealed, it was revealed.

It is rather arrogant for anybody to set a time table for the Good Lord.

Gods time is NOT our time.