Anti-christ Will Be The Next Pope?

[Dave]

Sorry, BLAZEr,

I must disagree with you. The third Secret of Fatima has not been revealed. If it had, we would know what Our Lady said after she told the seers, "In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved..."

Neither have the other Fatima prophesies been fulfilled, for Our Lady said that when they were Russia would be converted to the Catholic faith, and "a certain period of peace" will be given to the world. We continue to await both these events.

That sounds like the kind of nonsense that the suspended priest Fr. Nicholas Gruner spouts, along with the false rumor that Russia hasn't been properly consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary as Our Lady requested.

[dUSt]

From what I've read of his posts since he's been here at phatmass, mark4IHM seems to deny the current authority of the Church. Keep that in mind when reading him.

God bless.

[Dave]

From what I've read of his posts since he's been here at phatmass, mark4IHM seems to deny the current authority of the Church. Keep that in mind when reading him.

God bless.

Thanks for the tip, dUSt. :)

[mark4IHM]

Dave,

If the third Secret has been revealed, tell me the rest of Our Lady's words. I am not denying the authority of the Church, but merely being factual when I say that these words have not been revealed. In so doing I align myself with that notorious rebel Mother Angelica, who in her May 2001 television show said this about the third Secret:

"As for the Secret, well I happen to be one of those individuals who thinks we didn’t get the whole thing. I told ya! I mean, you have the right to your own opinion, don’t you, Father? There, you know, that’s my opinion. Because I think it’s scary. And I don’t think the Holy See is going to say something that does not happen, that might happen. And then what does it do if it doesn’t happen? I mean the Holy See cannot afford to make prophecies, because. I know, —I don’t know—my funeral . . . It’s not me, so don’t look at me . . . Something’s gonna happen soon. It could be twenty years before it happens. So to God “soon” could be a thousand years. We don’t know that."

If Mother Angelica has the right to her own opinion regarding the Third Secret, do not others like myself, or even Father Gruner, have that same right?

[FreeSoul]

Let's see... if someone tells me that they know who the anti-christ is... I would say...

YOU'RE NUTS!

[Anna]

Ok, Free Soul, maybe you saw that...but nobody else will! :P

Edited October 5, 2003 by Anna

[mark4IHM]

Dust,

May God Bless you for trying my patience, for in doing so you are my friend and benefactor.

Choosing to reveal or not reveal the third Secret of Fatima falls under the authority of the Pope, and if have denied this prerogative of the Holy Father, please show me where I have done so.

You were prudent to qualify your remark with the word "seems." For in fact I do not deny the authority of any Churchman, past or present. What I object to on occasion are abuses of authority or errors in the exercise of that authority. This is not merely a right, it is an obligation, as evidenced by the words of St. Thomas Aquinas and the life of St. Catherine of Siena, both Doctors of the Church.

Perhaps what bothers you is that I dare to point these things out at all. One of the reasons I do so is that silence regarding error and abuse can too easily become complicity, which gradually leads to indifference toward error and its consequent evil. Over time silence and complicity towards error and abuse can even cause one to become hostile to the truth itself, and desire to "shoot the messenger."

Peace to you.