homeschoolmom Posted October 16, 2004 Posted October 16, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Oct 15 2004, 05:46 PM'] I am 100% in favor of the death penalty for all crimes, including, but not limited to, speeding tickets and jaywalking. [/quote] Wow... I'm glad you're not in charge... You're not, are you?
Andrea348 Posted October 16, 2004 Posted October 16, 2004 I do not believe in the death penalty. I believe that we have no right to decide if a crime someone commits is worthy of death. Death is an extreme measures and cannot be taken back. I think it is best to leave it up to God what their punishment will be. There have also been cases where innocent people have been put to death. That just makes me sick.
drewmeister2 Posted October 16, 2004 Posted October 16, 2004 As I said before, the death penalty is only good when there is no other way to contain the murderer, and with the amount of technology, and money, that the US has, there are virtually no cases where it is good.
Phazzan Posted October 16, 2004 Posted October 16, 2004 [quote name='drewmeister2' date='Oct 16 2004, 10:33 AM'] As I said before, the death penalty is only good when there is no other way to contain the murderer, and with the amount of technology, and money, that the US has, there are virtually no cases where it is good. [/quote] No ever said the death penalty is a "good" thing, but in certain cases it is just and deserved.
Apotheoun Posted October 16, 2004 Posted October 16, 2004 I support the judicious use of the death penalty.
shelly_freak Posted October 16, 2004 Posted October 16, 2004 [quote name='Andrea348' date='Oct 16 2004, 10:27 AM'] I do not believe in the death penalty. I believe that we have no right to decide if a crime someone commits is worthy of death. Death is an extreme measures and cannot be taken back. I think it is best to leave it up to God what their punishment will be. There have also been cases where innocent people have been put to death. That just makes me sick. [/quote] AMEN SISTA!!! saddly it looks like we are the only ones
cmotherofpirl Posted October 16, 2004 Posted October 16, 2004 [quote name='drewmeister2' date='Oct 16 2004, 12:33 PM'] As I said before, the death penalty is only good when there is no other way to contain the murderer, and with the amount of technology, and money, that the US has, there are virtually no cases where it is good. [/quote] WE do not have the technology or the money to safely control the prison population. Ask any wife and kids of a murdered or disabled guard.
drewmeister2 Posted October 16, 2004 Posted October 16, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Oct 16 2004, 10:10 AM'] WE do not have the technology or the money to safely control the prison population. Ask any wife and kids of a murdered or disabled guard. [/quote] Well, we did have the money, until we wasted it on Iraq. And we are the most technologically advanced nation in the world. Yes, we can lock them up, we just need better security guards. It surprises me how well the Soviets could run the Gulag, and although they probably had problems with prisoners every now and then, the guards ruled with force. I talked to a former prison guard, who now works as a security guard at our school, and the only reason why guards get hurt is because they become too lax. They start becoming friendly towards the prisoners, start having regular conversations with them, and then the guards start letting their guard down (funny play on words), and then that is when prison riots happen. He told me one story where he was working and the prisoners got out and killed other prisoners and prison guards. He lived. But he said the reason it happened was the guards just became too lax. It was their own fault for not making sure that they were strict with the prisoners. Maybe the prisons should hire people who just have no personality at all, and just hate the guts out of people like murderers, because then there would be no tendancy for laxness. Just some thoughts.
Guest Aluigi Posted October 16, 2004 Posted October 16, 2004 (edited) o ok, let's take a page out of the soviet handbook... instead of the death penalty how bout we try creul and unusual punishment! errr... maybe not so much.. Edited October 16, 2004 by Aluigi
Iacobus Posted October 16, 2004 Posted October 16, 2004 I don't like the DP, personaly. I know it isn't always evil, but my fear lies with someone being wrongly convicted. It does happen... it was a huge precentage of the IL death row. Some courts want to use the DP too much. Moreover, no legal system is 100% fair. We try to be fair in ours, and do a decent job. The big names get the big laywers (O.J. got Cochran) and rarly get convicted. If O.J. was a normal person and he got a normal lawyer and not the "dream team" would he have got off? So until God is the only judge, jury, and lawyer, I don't think I will support the DP because those unfairly convicted could be killed.
Phazzan Posted October 16, 2004 Posted October 16, 2004 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Oct 16 2004, 01:10 PM'] I don't like the DP, personaly. I know it isn't always evil, but my fear lies with someone being wrongly convicted. It does happen... it was a huge precentage of the IL death row. Some courts want to use the DP too much. Moreover, no legal system is 100% fair. We try to be fair in ours, and do a decent job. The big names get the big laywers (O.J. got Cochran) and rarly get convicted. If O.J. was a normal person and he got a normal lawyer and not the "dream team" would he have got off? So until God is the only judge, jury, and lawyer, I don't think I will support the DP because those unfairly convicted could be killed. [/quote] I agree for the most part. In my opinion, the death penalty should only be used in the case of 1st degree murder, and when there is 100% satisfaction among the jurors that the accused committed the crime, which may actually require an admission of guilt on behalf of the accused. This "beyond reasonable doubt" business is not good enough IMO.
the_rev Posted October 16, 2004 Author Posted October 16, 2004 [quote name='Aluigi' date='Oct 16 2004, 01:02 PM'] o ok, let's take a page out of the soviet handbook... instead of the death penalty how bout we try creul and unusual punishment! errr... maybe not so much.. [/quote] Let's see, Amendment 8 of the constitution takes that out... Though the death penalty could be considered cruel and unusal. Moderator: I think this should be moved to the debate section.
Guest Aluigi Posted October 16, 2004 Posted October 16, 2004 no i don't think the death penalty is creul and unusual.
the_rev Posted October 16, 2004 Author Posted October 16, 2004 nor do I, but some find it that way. In their opinion
Noel's angel Posted October 16, 2004 Posted October 16, 2004 [quote]2319 Every human life, from the moment of conception until death, is sacred because the human person has been willed for its own sake in the image and likeness of the living and holy God. [/quote] catechism
cmotherofpirl Posted October 16, 2004 Posted October 16, 2004 (edited) [quote name='drewmeister2' date='Oct 16 2004, 02:59 PM'] Well, we did have the money, until we wasted it on Iraq. And we are the most technologically advanced nation in the world. Yes, we can lock them up, we just need better security guards. It surprises me how well the Soviets could run the Gulag, and although they probably had problems with prisoners every now and then, the guards ruled with force. I talked to a former prison guard, who now works as a security guard at our school, and the only reason why guards get hurt is because they become too lax. They start becoming friendly towards the prisoners, start having regular conversations with them, and then the guards start letting their guard down (funny play on words), and then that is when prison riots happen. He told me one story where he was working and the prisoners got out and killed other prisoners and prison guards. He lived. But he said the reason it happened was the guards just became too lax. It was their own fault for not making sure that they were strict with the prisoners. Maybe the prisons should hire people who just have no personality at all, and just hate the guts out of people like murderers, because then there would be no tendancy for laxness. Just some thoughts. [/quote] Right..... I'm sure the problem of prison reform was doing fine until then. We just took every penny we had and threw it at Iraq ....yeah Edited October 16, 2004 by cmotherofpirl
Noel's angel Posted October 16, 2004 Posted October 16, 2004 [quote]Capital Punishment 2266 The State's effort to contain the spread of behaviors injurious to human rights and the fundamental rules of civil coexistence corresponds to the requirement of watching over the common good. Legitimate public authority has the right and duty to inflict penalties commensurate with the gravity of the crime. The primary scope of the penalty is to redress the disorder caused by the offense. When his punishment is voluntarily accepted by the offender, it takes on the value of expiation. Moreover, punishment, in addition to preserving public order and the safety of persons, has a medicinal scope: as far as possible it should contribute to the correction of the offender.[67] 2267 The traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude, presupposing full ascertainment of the identity and responsibility of the offender, recourse to the death penalty, when this is the only practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor. "If, instead, bloodless means are sufficient to defend against the aggressor and to protect the safety of persons, public authority should limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person. "Today, in fact, given the means at the State's disposal to effectively repress crime by rendering inoffensive the one who has committed it, without depriving him definitively of the possibility of redeeming himself, cases of absolute necessity for suppression of the offender 'today ... are very rare, if not practically non-existent.' [68] [/quote]
StMichael Posted October 16, 2004 Posted October 16, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Oct 15 2004, 06:42 PM'] The Church is not against the death penalty and neither am I. You take a life, you forfeit your own. [/quote] "The Church's commitment to the value and dignity of human life leads us to oppose the use of the death penalty. We believe that a return to the use of the death penalty is further eroding respect for life in our society. We do not question society's right to protect itself, but we believe that there are better approaches to protecting our people from violent crimes. The application of the death penalty has been discriminatory toward the poor, the indigent, and racial minorities. [b]Our society should reject the death penalty and seek methods of dealing with violent crime that are more consistent with the gospel visions of respect for life and Christ's message of healing love.[/b] This principle is set forth in the new Catechism of the Catholic Church The Church is, in fact, AGAINST the Death penalty.
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