The Priesthood and Latin

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='goldenchild17' date='Nov 2 2004, 04:20 AM'] Dude, man if you could somehow knock it into me I'd be forever grateful. I'm not a seminarian(yet). I'm still trying to decide on an order or diocese or something, I don't know. But I so want to learn Latin, as well as Greek and Hebrew. But Latin first. [/quote]
Hehehe...I can help a bit with the Greek, too...ten credits, but my memory may be failing me on it.

[goldenchild17]

anything and everything would be good.

[mark3200]

I realize that Vat2 allowed parts of the Mass to be in the vulgate, but did it also do away with the option of saying the Mass in Latin? As someone who is bilingual (German & English), and a convert to Holy Mother the Church, I find that having parts of the Mass in Latin is a nice, traditional touch. One of the reasons I joined is the traditions of the Church. To me, using Latin in the Mass keeps us in touch with that Tradition, even if it's just in a small measure. I would hate to think that we'd turn away from the beauty and majesty of that part of the Tradition.

Just my $0.02, of course.

[tombone07]

The archdiocese i am studying for requires us to take three semesters of latin. I just finished it and while I know the prayer by heart most other latin I have no clue about.

[vianney]

Look I understand what yall are saying. I have taken three semesters of latin but this is the thing, alot of diocese are now requiring guys to be fluent in spanish to help in their diocese with the hispanic population. My diocese is 1/3 hispanic with virtually no one to administor the sacraments in Spanish. It is really hurting the faith life of the hispanics. I luckily know latin and Spanish but for many guys there just simply isnt enough time before ordination to learn (if you go to the NAC) Latin, Spanish, Italian, and Greek. I am in college seminary and there is just not enough time. I have my hands full with latin and spanish in college seminary. So be careful before you judge a priest as should or shouldnt be ordained based soley of his knowledge of latin. Some of the most amazing priests dont know a wink of latin.

P.S. A priest eventually should learn latin and furthermore be able to say mass in latin along with knowing alot of prayers. But to say that he cannot be ordained before he does this is a bit much I would say and be careful beause most Bishops would and do disagree with you guys on this point.

[homeschoolmom]

Very good point... certainly one that I had not thought of-- though I should have.

[vianney]

Ha Ha hey homeschool mom I go to SJV in St. Paul. You are from the twin cities right?

[homeschoolmom]

yes!!

Why are there so many Pmer at St. Thomas/SJV and I haven't met any?

[vianney]

We have community mass here at SJV on the campus of St Thomas every Thursday night at about 7 you should come sometime.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='vianney' date='Dec 7 2004, 06:53 PM'] We have community mass here at SJV on the campus of St Thomas every Thursday night at about 7 you should come sometime. [/quote]
Oooohhh... so tempting... I love the chapel there, btw...

[vianney]

Seriously stop by. Tommrow night is the last night before we go on break!

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='vianney' date='Dec 6 2004, 10:38 PM'] P.S. A priest eventually should learn latin and furthermore be able to say mass in latin along with knowing alot of prayers. But to say that he cannot be ordained before he does this is a bit much I would say and be careful beause most Bishops would and do disagree with you guys on this point. [/quote]
Whether most bishops agree or not is irrelevant. Most bishops in this country at least, think pro-aborts should not be denied communion. They are clearly wrong.

The point of my post above was that if a priest cannot speak the language of the Church he is being ordained for, then it is seriously detrimental to his ability to serve as a minister in that Church. Why? First, it greatly hinders ones ability to study Theology if you must rely on the very limited supply of english thelogical works. Second, it renders him incapable of saying Mass in the laguage of the Church. Third, it puts him at the mercy of others (who are not often trustworthy) to communicate to him what the Vatican is actually saying (as opposed to what the heavily agendized ICEL crowd would like us to believe the Vatican is saying).

Definition of a term I think I just made up: agendized: laden with and/ or hindered by an agenda.

[vianney]

ic so whenever you read anything that comes from the Vatican you read it in its original latin text or do you read what others have to say that have translated it.

Second off notice I said a priest should eventually learn latin at some point in his priesthood so he may say mass in latin after all he is a latin rite priest. But I would not say it is necessary for him to be ordained.

Third off I do not think the word greatly should be applied here. I have many friends in good major seminaries learning theology and they have all told me they did not need an ounce of their latin it is more of their Greek which they learn in Major seminary anyways. (for a sidenote the major seminaries i am talking about is; Mt. St. Marys in Emmitsburg, NAC in Rome, Chaput's SJV in Denver, St Charles in Philly.)

[Pio Nono]

JMJ
12/14 - St. John of the Cross

Just for the record, [i][b]serious props[/b][/i] to whomever can SPEAK the Latin language - VERY few Latinists in the world are able to actually speak the language with any sense of fluency. I can read it with a certain sense of reliability, but SPEAK it - forget it. It'd take YEARS of learning.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='vianney' date='Dec 9 2004, 04:04 PM'] (for a sidenote the major seminaries i am talking about is; Mt. St. Marys in Emmitsburg, NAC in Rome, Chaput's SJV in Denver, St Charles in Philly.) [/quote]
The seminary in Denver's considered a major seminary, along with NAC in Rome? I didn't know it was that good. I'm in CO Springs... Maybe I should look into it.

[vianney]

yep, infact Denver is one of the better ones. Hey by the way one of my best friends is a seminarian here at SJV in Minneapolis with me. His name is Jim Baron he is from Elizabeth. Ring a bell? He is studying for your diocese. (Colorado Springs)

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='vianney' date='Dec 15 2004, 09:10 AM'] yep, infact Denver is one of the better ones. Hey by the way one of my best friends is a seminarian here at SJV in Minneapolis with me. His name is Jim Baron he is from Elizabeth. Ring a bell? He is studying for your diocese. (Colorado Springs) [/quote]
Ahem... St. Paul....

[vianney]

ha ha sorry SJV is in St. Paul not Minneapolis (The St Paul folk hate being called Minneapolis folk and the Minneapolis folk hate being called St Paul folk. I guess its a Minnesota thing?!)

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='vianney' date='Dec 15 2004, 10:43 AM'] ha ha sorry SJV is in St. Paul not Minneapolis (The St Paul folk hate being called Minneapolis folk and the Minneapolis folk hate being called St Paul folk. I guess its a Minnesota thing?!) [/quote]
Yea, we're weird that way.