More Politics....

[J.R.D]

Well as we all know Bush is in Office for a second term :angry: ... Well all over the news There saying stuff like "he has a new plan" and "a better economy" .... Well all I've heard from The President is the same stuff from the 2000 election ..... so there is NO new plan just the same old carp .... Now Im wandering what yall think?

Edited November 6, 2004 by J.R.D

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

I don't really think anything. He won and I don't have to hear it anymore. It's finally over.

[Socrates]

I'm thinking better his carp than Kerry's carp.

Kerry lost. Get over it!

[mamalove]

Simplify the tax code? COOL!

[Guest Aluigi]

yeah seriously. keeping up the IRS system is just wasteful and unnecessary. simplification would be a welcome change.

If he can pull it off, privitization will save social secuirity. it's just the question of how he's gonna pull it off without hurting the people currently on social secuirty.

[qfnol31]

IRS is bad. It shouldn't have all the power it does, that's unConstitutional.

By the way, the President hasn't had time to put anything into effect. He hasn't started his term yet!

[curtins]

bush won!!!!!!!!!!!! yahoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well lemme ask you this- kerry sed "I have a plan" i think like 70 times in the 3rd debate- now just what was his plan????????????
Bush's plan- win the war on terror and bring to justice those who killed 3000 ppl on 911, lower taxes to increase bussiniess thus up the economy, have medicare perscription drug coverage by 2006, reduce frivilous lawsuits thus lowering health care costs, apointing judges that value life and marriage.

what has he done so far???
lowered taxes
brought to justice 75 % of al quieda in afganistan and brought down the sadam govt whcih had known ties to al quieda and possibly nuclear wepons or programs to develop nukes.
implemented the perscription drug discount card- i have a teacher in my school who has one. 1 drug used to cost her 60 bucks- now its 6
Bush rocks

go bush!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! woooottt!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[J.R.D]

so then he dsnt have a "new" plan then right?

[D0RK4JP2]

Gday,

i've been reading on these phorums where i got some ppl rep'in as Catholics saying they don't agree with the Catholics standpoint on politics.

See here's the thing.

Policy made, without a Catholic frame-of-mind, falls apart. Look look at Greece, Persia, Rome, and Egypt. Their societies fell because of Godless 'policy'.

Policy is like a wish-washy word for another wish-washy phrase 'commericial morality that pretends to be neither good or bad for neither bad or good reasons.'

Stupid legal positivism.

JMJ.'

[yiannii]

I really don't like the way a lot of Kerry supporters are responding to Kerry's loss - one example I encountered on livejournal was the labelling of all Bush supporters as "retards".

I think it is really strange that so-called "socially liberal" people who are all for "equality", "free speech" and a "fair go" until they run into someone with opposing views - then they seem to snap and become judgemental whilst denigrating the opinions of opponents.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

That Georgia Congressman can go ahead with his flat tax push in the House now!

[Anna]

[quote name='yiannii' date='Nov 6 2004, 05:55 AM'] I really don't like the way a lot of Kerry supporters are responding to Kerry's loss - one example I encountered on livejournal was the labelling of all Bush supporters as "retards".

I think it is really strange that so-called "socially liberal" people who are all for "equality", "free speech" and a "fair go" until they run into someone with opposing views - then they seem to snap and become judgemental whilst denigrating the opinions of opponents. [/quote]
No, no, no! Not the make-love-not-war, be-tolerant, fight-hatespeech, liberal Kerry supporters???!!!

I am shocked, truly shocked. :rotfl:

[voiciblanche]

[quote name='J.R.D' date='Nov 6 2004, 01:47 AM'] so then he dsnt have a "new" plan then right? [/quote]
I don't know if he has a "new" plan or not, but something to remember is that 9/11 messed up everyone's plans, including the president's. People want to solely blame Pres. Bush for the economic troubles that we've been having, but when someone blows up two of the most important buildings in the country and thousands (if not millions) of people refuse to buy airline tickets and hundreds (if not thousands) of people lose their jobs... the economy tends to suffer.

What I'm suggesting here is that Bush's original plans of 2000 may not have had a chance to be put into action, and now that we've had some time to recover for 9/11, he's gonna try to put them into action.

Just a theory.

[Kilroy the Ninja]

[quote name='voiciblanche' date='Nov 6 2004, 03:47 PM'] I don't know if he has a "new" plan or not, but something to remember is that 9/11 messed up everyone's plans, including the president's. People want to solely blame Pres. Bush for the economic troubles that we've been having, but when someone blows up two of the most important buildings in the country and thousands (if not millions) of people refuse to buy airline tickets and hundreds (if not thousands) of people lose their jobs... the economy tends to suffer.

What I'm suggesting here is that Bush's original plans of 2000 may not have had a chance to be put into action, and now that we've had some time to recover for 9/11, he's gonna try to put them into action.

Just a theory. [/quote]
AMEN TO THAT!!! I've been saying this all along!!! Glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks this. But I've not heard this theory ONCE in all of the media three-ring circus that the election was. And I doubt we'll hear it from them in the future either...


But I remember the week that the country stood still. I live near Hobby airport here in Houston and the sound of silence that was created when those planes quit flying was eerie and almost deafening in it's own way. (Only because of the reason they weren't flying).

We as a country, are just NOW beginning to recover financially from that day. Just now.

[J.R.D]

kool just wanted to see whats up

and socrates I know Kerry lost I am over it so keep your remarks to yourself plz THANK YOU

[littleflower+JMJ]

voici rocks!!!

[Anna]

All over the news, "they're saying" Bush has a new plan...
Who is "they?"

Throughout the campaign, Bush's message was simple:
"We're going to stay the course and get the job done."

Notice: I do not put stock in media hype. -_-

[Iacobus]

[quote name='curtins' date='Nov 5 2004, 11:11 PM'] bush won!!!!!!!!!!!! yahoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well lemme ask you this- kerry sed "I have a plan" i think like 70 times in the 3rd debate- now just what was his plan????????????
Bush's plan- win the war on terror and bring to justice those who killed 3000 ppl on 911, lower taxes to increase bussiniess thus up the economy, have medicare perscription drug coverage by 2006, reduce frivilous lawsuits thus lowering health care costs, apointing judges that value life and marriage.
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Wow, that is hard to read. From the top shall we?

[quote]well lemme ask you this- kerry sed "I have a plan" i think like 70 times in the 3rd debate- now just what was his plan????????????[/quote]

What was his plan? I could ask by the same tokein what was Bush's plan, I didn't hear a lot of a real plan, no more than I heard from Kerry, during the debates. To understand either plan you would have had to listen to more than the debates, read more than just their transcripts.

Kerry's plan (economic) that he said in the debates was to repeal the tax cut for those earning over 200,000 dollars a year. He would expand or leave intact all tax cuts for those earning under 200,000 dollars a year.

Kerry's plan (Terror) was to stretngh our homeland by using the money from the reapealed tax cuts to pay for more inspections on ships entering US habors and he would secure the boraders.

Kerry's plan (Health) was to let you buy into the any plan that the Federal empolyees can buy into at the same rate. This [i]is not[/i] a nationalization of the health care system, you are not forced to buy into it and the goverment does not pay for it, you pay for it. He would also end those drug ads on TV and reimport durgs.

Frivilous lawsuits rasing health costs? CBO disagrees,

[quote]And on Jan. 8, 2004 , the Congressional Budget Office also said the Kessler-McClellan study wasn’t a valid basis for projecting total costs of defensive medicine.

[quote]When CBO applied the methods used in the study of Medicare patients hospitalized for two types of heart disease to a broader set of ailments, it found no evidence that restrictions on tort liability reduce medical spending. Moreover, using a different set of data, CBO found no statistically significant difference in per capita health care spending between states with and without limits on malpractice torts.
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Medicare? Pah...

[quote]The federally administered prescription drug discount cards were designed to fill the three-year gap, but as we've  reported , total enrollment has only reached 4.4 million -- over half of whom were automatically enrolled by their health maintenance organizations. The total is more than 3 million short of the number the administration predicted would be enrolled by the end of 2004.[/quote]

Have you read anything about the new Medicare drug program? It has confused more people than it has helped (note, only 2.2 million people *Bush expected 7-8 million to sign up* reged without being forced to). Seems like the reports that it is confusing are true.

Appointing pro life judges? Yeh, he plans on bumping pro[i]-CHOICE[/i] Justice O'Conner to be Chief Justice if the sitting one steps down. And Specter? Pro life?

So what has Bush done?

[quote]lowered taxes[/quote]

Thereby creating the biggest defiecit in History... from a projected surplus...

[quote]
brought to justice 75 % of al quieda in afganistan and brought down the sadam govt whcih had known ties to al quieda and possibly nuclear wepons or programs to develop nukes.[/quote]

Someone doesn't read the fine print. Bush has captured or killed 75% of the AQ members who were leaders [i]on Sept 11, 2001[/i]. AQ isn't a static group, just because you remove one leader doesn't mean that a new one won't take his place. That number is iffy.

He took down Saddam's govt, which may have had ties to AQ (did NOT on the 9/11 plot). We weren't sure, and know know, that there were no programs for nuclear weapons in Iraq, unlike North Korea which has added weapons (from Pakastan our "ally") or Iran which readily admits having or seeking weapons.

Edit: All quotes, save those from curtins, are from the website FactCheck.org

Edited November 8, 2004 by Iacobus

[crusader1234]

I am a Socialist, so don't get me wrong if I lived in the United States I wouldn't want Bush elected, but I really expect him to live up to his promise to open borders to Canadian beef and keep the border closed to Canadian medications.

[SirMyztiq]

[quote name='Iacobus' date='Nov 7 2004, 11:39 PM'] Wow, that is hard to read. From the top shall we?



What was his plan? I could ask by the same tokein what was Bush's plan, I didn't hear a lot of a real plan, no more than I heard from Kerry, during the debates. To understand either plan you would have had to listen to more than the debates, read more than just their transcripts.

Kerry's plan (economic) that he said in the debates was to repeal the tax cut for those earning over 200,000 dollars a year. He would expand or leave intact all tax cuts for those earning under 200,000 dollars a year.

Kerry's plan (Terror) was to stretngh our homeland by using the money from the reapealed tax cuts to pay for more inspections on ships entering US habors and he would secure the boraders.

Kerry's plan (Health) was to let you buy into the any plan that the Federal empolyees can buy into at the same rate. This [i]is not[/i] a nationalization of the health care system, you are not forced to buy into it and the goverment does not pay for it, you pay for it. He would also end those drug ads on TV and reimport durgs.

Frivilous lawsuits rasing health costs? CBO disagrees,

[/QUOTE]

Medicare? Pah...



Have you read anything about the new Medicare drug program? It has confused more people than it has helped (note, only 2.2 million people *Bush expected 7-8 million to sign up* reged without being forced to). Seems like the reports that it is confusing are true.

Appointing pro life judges? Yeh, he plans on bumping pro[i]-CHOICE[/i] Justice O'Conner to be Chief Justice if the sitting one steps down. And Specter? Pro life?

So what has Bush done?



Thereby creating the biggest defiecit in History... from a projected surplus...



Someone doesn't read the fine print. Bush has captured or killed 75% of the AQ members who were leaders [i]on Sept 11, 2001[/i]. AQ isn't a static group, just because you remove one leader doesn't mean that a new one won't take his place. That number is iffy.

He took down Saddam's govt, which may have had ties to AQ (did NOT on the 9/11 plot). We weren't sure, and know know, that there were no programs for nuclear weapons in Iraq, unlike North Korea which has added weapons (from Pakastan our "ally") or Iran which readily admits having or seeking weapons.

Edit: All quotes, save those from curtins, are from the website FactCheck.org [/quote]
^^^

Yup.

That and Bush will probably lead this country into more chaos.

Bin Laden is still out and alive.

North Korea and Iran are still very threatening.

The only difference that I could expect during this four years in hell is probably that those threats would grow even larger.