More Politics....

[God Conquers]

[quote name='crusader1234' date='Nov 7 2004, 11:53 PM'] I am a Socialist, so don't get me wrong if I lived in the United States I wouldn't want Bush elected, but I really expect him to live up to his promise to open borders to Canadian beef and keep the border closed to Canadian medications. [/quote]
Ya, as long as our government starts smartening up.

It's a fact that Bush is beter for us in terms of trade, economics and security.

We need to live up to our side of the deal, and our cabinet ministers need to stop making asinine anti-american statements.

Caroline Parish should be kicked out of caucus especially.

[Iacobus]

[quote name='God Conquers' date='Nov 8 2004, 02:16 PM'] It's a fact that Bush is beter for us in terms of trade, economics and security. [/quote]
He is going to open to your beef? I thought after the Mad Cow scare last Dec it was basicly done for.

[God Conquers]

He's more likely to do it than Kerry....

Also, he's likely to go end the tarriffs on softwood lumber as well.

[dUSt]

Kerry lied.

[Ash Wednesday]

Bush's term, for better or worse, will continue to be very Reaganesque.

With that being said, the Democratic party needs to pull their heads out of their butts and lose the NYC-Beltway-Hollywood elitism. The Democrats are no longer the party of the underdog and cater too much to the fringe left. If they stop ostracising the pro-life/pro-family democrats, the party might have a chance. I would vote pro-life Democrat in a heartbeat, and I think middle America would, too.

The reason why the Republicans are not floundering is because the party doesn't ostracise those that don't entirely fit their "agenda" like the Democrats do. Most of the GOP's biggest stars are pro-choice. (Of course I find pro-choice Republicanism to be even more repulsive than pro-choice Dems...)

SPECTER smells of elderberries! SPECTER smells of elderberries! SPECTER smells of elderberries! SPECTER smells of elderberries!

Back to your regularly scheduled debating.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Nov 9 2004, 12:07 AM'] Bush's term, for better or worse, will continue to be very Reaganesque.

[/quote]
Bush is no Reagan. Reagan kept us out of major wars.
Reagan helped restore the greatness of America.

But still, I'm hardly shedding any tears that that pro-abortion-no-exceptions, ultra-lefty Massachussetts liberal isn't in the white house. I cannot believe the painful twisting of logic that the libs on this site go through to somehow say that Kerry was somehow the more pro-life Catholic candidate.

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Nov 9 2004, 12:14 AM'] Bush is no Reagan.  Reagan kept us out of major wars.
Reagan helped restore the greatness of America.
[/quote]
We weren't attacked on our own soil when Reagan was president, either.

[Socrates]

I'm all for attacking Afganistan (since they harbored Osama & co.)!
Bush made the right move there (if we could just catch that little bastard! [bin Laden])

I'm not convinced invading Iraq was necessary, or well-advised.

Edited November 9, 2004 by Socrates

[MC Just]

oh yeah and things would have been better with Kerry??? Bush is doing a great Job, he has from the beginning. Do you think it's easy being President of this country?

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Nov 9 2004, 12:49 PM'] I'm all for attacking Afganistan (since they harbored Osama & co.)!
Bush made the right move there (if we could just catch that little bastard! [bin Laden])

I'm not convinced invading Iraq was necessary, or well-advised. [/quote]
I agree with you on that, actually.

Sorry if I'm repeating myself to anyone else out there. I really think that Iraq started a lot like Vietnam -- as a result of paranoia and flimsy suspicion (WMD = Gulf of Tonkin). I actually don't fault Bush alone for that one. But one advantage we do have with Iraq now is the terrain is not as problematic as it was in Vietnam. I think the matter will eventually be resolved, at least I hope so. I certainly am not complaining that Hussein is outta there.


I think it's silly how much people blame everything exclusively on Bush.

Bin Laden hating us is Bush's fault!
The economy was Bush's fault!
September 11th was Bush's fault!
The flu vaccine shortage was Bush's fault!
Getting the flu itself is Bush's fault!
Butterfly ballots are Bush's fault!
Diebold voting is Bush's fault!
My bag getting searched at the airport and my broken bottle of vodka resulting is Bush's fault!
The hurricanes were Bush's fault! (Karl Rove had them strategically sent to Florida.)
Hemorrhoids are Bush's fault!
Mount St. Helens spouting lava is Bush's fault!
My back spasms are Bush's fault!
Arafat's eventual death is Bush's fault!

[Iacobus]

SOme of that is Bush's fault partly. He has failed to address some issues. But did Reagan start AIDS? No. But did Reagan's failure to address it until 1988 enable it to spread? Yes. Same thing with Bush. Is the economy, the ful vaccine, Iraq, etc, of the orgin of Bush or has Bush encourged them *unaware I hope*?

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

I would say the flu vaccine problem has nothing to do with whoever the sitting president is.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Iacobus' date='Nov 9 2004, 09:11 PM'] SOme of that is Bush's fault partly. He has failed to address some issues. But did Reagan start AIDS? No. But did Reagan's failure to address it until 1988 enable it to spread? Yes. Same thing with Bush. Is the economy, the ful vaccine, Iraq, etc, of the orgin of Bush or has Bush encourged them *unaware I hope*? [/quote]
Pleasssseee!! Give me a break!!
Reagan was responsible for the spread of AIDs!??

We all know what was responsible for the spread of AIDs!

Typical liberal garbage!
"We're gonna bugger each other and shoot up on drugs and get AIDs - Now it's the federal gov't's fault for not finding a cure! More fed spending is the solution to all our problems! If the gov't doesn't do something for everybody's problem, they're cold and heartless! We need ever more government programs for everything!"

Whiny, wussy liberals disgust me!

What this country needs is a return to personal responsibility and accountability, character, morality, and self-reliance - the virtues that made this country great!

People need to stop blaming others for all their problems and demanding money from the federal gov't for every thing, at taxpayer's expense!
The President should not have to be held responsible for so much, that We the People used to be responsible for. We're becoming a socialist nation of crybabies, always demanding more from an already bloated Fed Gov't.

As that Democrat JFK said, "Ask not what my country can do for me . . ."

[Iacobus]

I don't think Bush caused it but we were warned about the conditions in the plant a year ago and he failed to act. In fact, he didn't even stop the shipment, the Brits did. He refused to "pre buy" doses so that we are going to get so many for sure. Also, he has refused to support increasing the price (it is too cheap here relativly). He didn't expand the number of plants we buy doses from either.

Bush didn't take all the doses and ruin them, but his actions didn't fix the problem when they could have.

[Iacobus]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Nov 9 2004, 10:22 PM'] Pleasssseee!! Give me a break!!
Reagan was responsible for the spread of AIDs!??

We all know what was responsible for the spread of AIDs!
[/quote]
Reagan failed to address AIDS whatsoever. He didn't even mention it until 1988. The only other person I know of who denied something that big so long was Hoover's "There is no mob in America."

[voiciblanche]

[quote name='Iacobus' date='Nov 9 2004, 10:25 PM'] Reagan failed to address AIDS whatsoever. He didn't even mention it until 1988. [/quote]
So? It's one thing to avoid addressing something you have control or power over, but how does a president have any control over the spreading of AIDS whatsoever? Why does he need to address it? Maybe I'm clueless, but I don't see the connection.

[Socrates]

What should Reagan have done about AIDS?

AIDS is not the president's responsibility.
The gay-rights crowd wants to make everyone else feel guilty and scared about AIDS.

Unlike they said in the '80's AIDS never became a major heterosexual plague in this country. It's (though there are of course, tragic exceptions) a disease primarily of homosexuals, druggies, and the sexually promiscuous.

Reagan was a great man. Let him rest in peace. He was a far better leader and of much greater character than your heroes Clinton and Kerry.

[Iacobus]

[quote name='voiciblanche' date='Nov 9 2004, 10:28 PM'] So? It's one thing to avoid addressing something you have control or power over, but how does a president have any control over the spreading of AIDS whatsoever? Why does he need to address it? Maybe I'm clueless, but I don't see the connection. [/quote]
He could have directed more funds towards AIDS research and education, it was and is a new virus that we know relativly little about. The CDC and Ft. Detrek (sp? that is the right one right, the Bio warfare lab?) are under the control of the gov't being gov't insitutions. When Ebola Zaire had an outbreak the CDC and the army both engaged in large and gov'tly funded research and preventition progarms.

Reagan never mentioned AIDS until 1988, the last year of his 2nd term. Why? Because, as Socrates has repeated over and over again in defense of letting other men die while doing nothing, it is a "gay man's virus."

[qfnol31]

I don't think education is the problem so much. Research, maybe he could have put some there. But I think the government is too involved in the daily lives of people and supplying the rights to so many that they don't have enough money for that any more.

[Iacobus]

I am talking about the eduaction that started in the late late 80's and early 90's. As a kid I rember a preview before video's with two guys talking about AIDS and what is being done and how it spreads and stuff like that. It is a simple thing. So the education did happen.

But we were slow to act because it was largly emerging in the homosexual US population and everywhere and one in Africa, it wasn't affecting, to be blunt, white heterosexual Americans.