Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 17, 2004 Posted November 17, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Nov 17 2004, 10:03 AM'] lol. kids. [/quote] Deja vu...isn't that what you said when I made the Micah vs. Teresa forum?
Brother Adam Posted November 17, 2004 Posted November 17, 2004 Yes, but for different reasons. This young lad is clearly ignorant in his understanding of the relationship between Catholics and Fundamentalst Protestants. For the Catholic "Will you be eternally Saved?" would translate "Will you be eternally liberated from evil?" The appropriate answer for the Catholic would be, those who have been born again, and do not reject the grace of God, and believe in salvation by faith in Christ, dying in a state of grace, will be finally liberated from all evil being in the eternal presence of God". To approach a Catholic message board stating "Will you be eternally saved" as a Reformed Protestant, leaves me the impression this person isn't interested in learning about the Catholic faith and just wants to spread his own beliefs of such non-biblical concepts as "the sinners prayer" "alter-calls" and "accepting Jesus as your personal savior to be once and forever saved"
cmotherofpirl Posted November 17, 2004 Posted November 17, 2004 Stop making polls, you did this one already!
noncatholicname Posted November 17, 2004 Posted November 17, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Nov 17 2004, 11:24 AM'] Yes, but for different reasons. This young lad is clearly ignorant in his understanding of the relationship between Catholics and Fundamentalst Protestants. For the Catholic "Will you be eternally Saved?" would translate "Will you be eternally liberated from evil?" The appropriate answer for the Catholic would be, those who have been born again, and do not reject the grace of God, and believe in salvation by faith in Christ, dying in a state of grace, will be finally liberated from all evil being in the eternal presence of God". To approach a Catholic message board stating "Will you be eternally saved" as a Reformed Protestant, leaves me the impression this person isn't interested in learning about the Catholic faith and just wants to spread his own beliefs of such non-biblical concepts as "the sinners prayer" "alter-calls" and "accepting Jesus as your personal savior to be once and forever saved" [/quote] And your little "Phatmass crusade" isn't out to spread your beliefs? How typical.
Brother Adam Posted November 17, 2004 Posted November 17, 2004 Wouldn't it be nice to be able to let go of the bitterness you feel and come home to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church?
Brother Adam Posted November 17, 2004 Posted November 17, 2004 (edited) btw, crusaders help to educate non-Catholics who are already attacking the Catholic Church on other websites. We are not their to gain conversions of the already converted. Edited November 17, 2004 by Brother Adam
noncatholicname Posted November 17, 2004 Posted November 17, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Nov 17 2004, 04:38 PM'] btw, crusaders help to educate non-Catholics who are already attacking the Catholic Church on other websites. We are not their to gain conversions of the already converted. [/quote] [quote]Wouldn't it be nice to be able to let go of the bitterness you feel and come home to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church? [/quote] I would say your first statement contradicts your first. And I only grow bitter when called a heretic and told that I would be killed by members on this forum if your Holy See decreed it so. First the leaders of your church tried forcing people to convert, now you try reason. It's not working. Either kill us or accept us, otherwise don't bother.
Brother Adam Posted November 17, 2004 Posted November 17, 2004 I think your bringing over ill-sentiments from other conversations you've had that I don't have a clue about. There is no contradiction in either statement. The tenants of your faith would logically brand me a heretic as a Catholic. There is nothing insulting about the title, and no need to consider yourself insulted if someone calls you a heretic. It means, as far as that person is concerned you hold true to the formal definition of heresy in their religion. I'm a heretic to Fundamentalists, you would likely fall into heresy in the Catholic faith. At least 400 Fundamental pastors converted to Catholicism last year as well as countless laymen, myself included. Dozens of people on this website have converted from fundamentalism or are in the process of doing so. We see the truth and beauty of being a member of the family of God. Certian leaders in the past have tried to force conversions in the Catholic Church. Certian leaders in the past have tried to force conversions in the Protestant Church. What's your point? That we are sinners? Well, the Bible tell us that much. I accept you for who you are and have no intention of killing you, however you have come as a non-Catholic to a Catholic forum, if your going to type posts such as this, don't expect them to go unanswered. God Bless, Bro. Adam
iheartjp2 Posted November 17, 2004 Posted November 17, 2004 [quote name='noncatholicname' date='Nov 17 2004, 04:44 PM'] I would say your first statement contradicts your first. And I only grow bitter when called a heretic and told that I would be killed by members on this forum if your Holy See decreed it so. First the leaders of your church tried forcing people to convert, now you try reason. It's not working. Either kill us or accept us, otherwise don't bother. [/quote] I pray that the holy spirit guides you and leads you.
iheartjp2 Posted November 17, 2004 Posted November 17, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Nov 17 2004, 04:38 PM'] btw, crusaders help to educate non-Catholics who are already attacking the Catholic Church on other websites. We are not their to gain conversions of the already converted. [/quote] I'm sorry, but I already attempted to try at a former Catholics group at Yahoo!, and within one day of being a member, they banned me. It's strange, in their group description, they said that all opinions on the Catholic Church and Christianity in general were allowed. I guess the ones that they agreed with were. Maybe it was the truth that they couldn't handle, not to mention my utmost kindness and patience.
Quietfire Posted November 17, 2004 Posted November 17, 2004 (edited) As a former Protestant I am now considered a heretic (as far as Protestants go) Dont bother me none. Edited November 17, 2004 by Quietfire
Paladin D Posted November 18, 2004 Posted November 18, 2004 [quote name='noncatholicname' date='Nov 17 2004, 05:44 PM'] First the leaders of your church tried forcing people to convert, now you try reason. It's not working. Either kill us or accept us, otherwise don't bother. [/quote] I just got this gun, and do you know how much ammo cost for a standard Scout Blaster? They rip you off! I would rather use up my ammo on a womp rat.
Guest JeffCR07 Posted November 18, 2004 Posted November 18, 2004 [quote]First the leaders of your church tried forcing people to convert, now you try reason. It's not working. Either kill us or accept us, otherwise don't bother.[/quote] From a critical-historical perspective, it seems to me that First Christ established a church. Then the apostles and bishops evangelized the nations, established successors, and defended the faith. That same evangelization and defense of orthodoxy was carried out by the Early Church Fathers through the collapse of the Roman Empire, the invasions of multiple armies from both East and West, and the rise of the Byzantine Empire. After the first millenium the shifted political power of Old Rome compared to New Rome (Constantinople) and the constant assertions of Byzantine Emperors that they held a form of priestly vocation as well as temporal power caused a large number of Eastern Bishops to split with the Apostolic See in Rome, the primacy of which had not, up until this point, been called into question. The faith, however, stood firm as it had during the first millenium despite this split, and Europe unto Britain was evangelized. The faith was defended, clarified, and spread by the numerous saints across the years, and new heresies were continually dealt with. The protestant reformation did not bring up anything new in terms of theology. Plenty of heretics had already taught against things like transubstantiation, [i]sola fide[/i], and even [i]sola scriptura[/i] was taught by Pelagius. The reason such heresy lasted this time around was not because it magically became "truth" but because it had political advantage on its side (ie it was politically and economically advantagious for European kings to declare their nations Protestant). So the short response to your statement is no, the Church didnt "first try to force conversions, then try to reason them" such a statement illustrates a complete lack of understanding of the subject at hand, a disposition to grossly overgeneralize, and either an inability or an unwillingness to engage in intellectual and scholarly debate.
phatcatholic Posted November 18, 2004 Posted November 18, 2004 noncatholicname............i made a considerable effort to explain to you what the FBC was really all about. it disheartens me that you still think ill of it........
Balthazor Posted November 18, 2004 Posted November 18, 2004 [quote name='noncatholicname' date='Nov 17 2004, 04:44 PM'] I would say your first statement contradicts your first. And I only grow bitter when called a heretic and told that I would be killed by members on this forum if your Holy See decreed it so. [/quote] ummm.... maybe you don't realize this but there are quite a few websites that spread falsehoods about the Catholic CHurch and what Catholics believe. For example I can not tell you how many Catholic bashing websites I come across that claim that Catholics Worship Mary...or they say that we ADORE Mary and worship her as God... This is simply not true.... we have a right to defend our Church against people who bash it and spread false concepts about it. If you don't beleive me on this point here is an example... [url="http://www.bible.ca/catholic-mariolatry.htm"]http://www.bible.ca/catholic-mariolatry.htm[/url] This also goes on in forums I think we have a right to defend ourselves there too. I am sure that if you came across a website that was spreading falshood about your Church you might want to reply. The crusade here is not offensive, it is defensive. Also Christianity is a proselytic religion by nature deal with it. Also who here called you a "heretic"?
Balthazor Posted November 18, 2004 Posted November 18, 2004 [quote name='Quietfire' date='Nov 17 2004, 06:55 PM'] As a former Protestant I am now considered a heretic (as far as Protestants go) Dont bother me none. [/quote] Just wanted to let you know...You Rock my dear!!!
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