The Catholic Church:The Church that Christ founded

[Quietfire]

The Roman Catholic church didn't even want the bible to be public some hundreds of years ago

Oh boy.

Specifically when?

The Church has never denied Sacred Scripture to God's children.
Dare I ask if you are referring to the time before the invention of the printing press?


Pax.

[Quietfire]

The first sentence of my previous post is a quote.


I did not, nor ever said that.

Just wanted to clarify that I forgot to click on the quote button.

Oooppppsy!

[Catalyst]

uneduacted about the Roman Catholic culture?

Roman Catholic profess to know Jesus but bow down before Mary. Idolitary, you shall bow down before no other Gods but God. If you need to know about the trinity than let me know.

Instead of dismissing what I say so fast, reply and show me how smart and intelligent you are before you ask St. Joan to give a message to Mary to give to Jesus about how to answer.

You people say I lack knowledge of the bible? Lets turn this into a quick bible study as to the make up of Yeshua. Can anyone here tell the significance of the hebrew word Elohim, also for such educated people, whats the significance of the lion, the ox, the man, and the eagle....you say protestant because i don't worship idols. The Roman catholic church killed Luther for speaking the truth. Call me Christian, a disciple of the ONLY true and living, a truely God blessed child.

Time for a good ol' fashioned Living Word study, and yeah, i'll use broken english seen? Don't be so quick to put a man down. WAKE UP!!!

I asked what grace was.

Edited November 19, 2004 by Catalyst

[Balthazor]

I can say without doubt that all the Catholics here Worship and Adore God alone.

It is true that we respect and love Mary, but do not dilude yourself, we do not Worship Mary, we have never worshiped Mary.

[Guest Aluigi]

the Catholic Church killed Martin Luther? get your history strait

if i remember correctly, those are the 4 gospels. the eagle is John cause his gospel looks at things from a higher perspective, Matthew's the human taking a more human perspective approach, Mark was the lion and Luke was the ox, i forget why for those two.

we do not commit Idolatry, the worship of anything else than God. we honor God's creatures who have gone before us and are now in heaven with God.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Catalyst' date='Nov 19 2004, 12:04 AM'] uneduacted about the Roman Catholic culture?

Roman Catholic profess to know Jesus but bow down before Mary. Idolitary, you shall bow down before no other Gods but God. If you need to know about the trinity than let me know.

Instead of dismissing what I say so fast, reply and show me how smart and intelligent you are before you ask St. Joan to give a message to Mary to give to Jesus about how to answer.

You people say I lack knowledge of the bible? Lets turn this into a quick bible study as to the make up of Yeshua. Can anyone here tell the significance of the hebrew word Elohim, also for such educated people, whats the significance of the lion, the ox, the man, and the eagle....you say protestant because i don't worship idols. The Roman catholic church killed Luther for speaking the truth. Call me Christian, a disciple of the ONLY true and living, a truely God blessed child.

Time for a good ol' fashioned Living Word study, and yeah, i'll use broken english seen? Don't be so quick to put a man down. WAKE UP!!!

I asked what grace was. [/quote]
lol
Elementary dear Watson

[u]Elohim[/u] is the plural derivative of[u] El[/u] {common name for GOD}The proper name is [u]Yahweh[/u].

THe lion ox man and eagle are the signs of the four Evangelists
Matthew Mark Luke and John

And no, we didn't kill Luther.

Edited November 19, 2004 by cmotherofpirl

[noncatholicname]

[quote name='Balthazor' date='Nov 18 2004, 10:09 PM'] I can say without doubt that all the Catholics here Worship and Adore God alone.

It is true that we respect and love Mary, but do not dilude yourself, we do not Worship Mary, we have never worshiped Mary. [/quote]
Never? Really, never?

[Balthazor]

The ox, eagle, man and lion are the Cheribum that surround the trhone of God.

As Aluigi said each one also representative of each writer or rather the view that they represent of the bible, Mark had the Ox (a symbol of servanthaood), Luke, the son of man, John the son of God in the heavens and Matthew the lion of Judah.

Also
These also were the principal tribal standards that rallied the four "camps" of Israel (each camp consisting of three tribes) that encamped around the Tabernacle.

[cmotherofpirl]

Grace comes from the Latin gratia -a gift freely given. Grace is a gift from God.

[jmjtina]

[quote name='noncatholicname' date='Nov 18 2004, 10:20 PM'] Never? Really, never? [/quote]
really.

if you wish to prove otherwise, by all means, that is what we are here for.

to clear the misconceptions of the Catholic Church.

[Balthazor]

[quote name='noncatholicname' date='Nov 18 2004, 10:20 PM'] Never? Really, never? [/quote]
I shouldn't have to repeat myself, if you don't believe me search through Church documents and history.

Why don't you believe me anyway? what do I have to gain from lying to you?
If you really wanted to know an answer, to know the truth you would be at the apologetics table, not here.

[noncatholicname]

You know, playing the knowledge game on the internet is kind of an ignorant passtime, considering anyone can google this stuff and look really smart doing it.

[cmotherofpirl]

And then some of us actually are smart Some of us actually spent years in a classroom teaching or learning religion. Some of us have spent 30+ years doing it.

[Balthazor]

And others of us are being educated on Catholic Doctrine at the moment thanks to your questions.....
doesn't it feel wonderful being an instrument of GOD.

[Catalyst]

you honour them through prayer which is a form of worship.
Thats one part of it aluigi...but Matthew takes Christ through the perspective of Him being a lion. Through His majesty and His king ship. Mark is like the prospective of Christ being like an ox or a servant. Lukes shows how Christ came as a man and had attributes of man and example of this would be Christ asking the father to take the cup away from Him if possible and sweating blood and just being some what stressed about what was about to happen. John would be like the eagle because the eagle flies higher than any bird, its also a symbol of standing strong as John talks about His return a bit. If you look in revelations, the four creatures worshiping God at the foot of His throne are a lion, an ox, a man, and an eagle.
The flags that the tribe of Judah, Ephraim, Dan, and one other tribe also carried a picture of one of these on their flags and this is evident in the book of Ezekial.

Honour those past by the way you live not through prayer. Kneeling down and crossing your chest in prayer to a person whos test is long over, God wants that attention just for Himself!

Regarding the roman catholic church, do I dare bring up witch burning and mass murder?

Edited November 19, 2004 by Catalyst

[Guest Aluigi]

protestants have done this in the past. Catholics have done this in the past.

the Catholic Church was always at the forefront of fair trials and constantly sought to end the superstitious hunting of witches. the inquisition wouldn't even hear outrageous fearful witch accusations.

[Catalyst]

Focus on Jesus!!! The whole bible is about Him!

[cmotherofpirl]

How do you define worship?

Catholics worship God, not humans.

God recieves worship [i]Latria[/i] [absolute supreme adoration]

Servents of God recieve veneration [i]Dulia[/i] [ honor a creature because of their service to God]

Mary recieves veneration [i]Hyperdulia[/i] { she is the first among disciples of God, and carried Him in her womb]

Edited November 19, 2004 by cmotherofpirl

[Balthazor]

[quote name='Catalyst' date='Nov 18 2004, 10:39 PM'] you honour them through prayer which is a form of worship.
Thats one part of it aluigi...but Matthew takes Christ through the perspective of Him being a lion. Through His majesty and His king ship. Mark is like the prospective of Christ being like an ox or a servant. Lukes shows how Christ came as a man and had attributes of man and example of this would be Christ asking the father to take the cup away from Him if possible and sweating blood and just being some what stressed about what was about to happen. John would be like the eagle because the eagle flies higher than any bird, its also a symbol of standing strong as John talks about His return a bit. If you look in revelations, the four creatures worshiping God at the foot of His throne are a lion, an ox, a man, and an eagle.
The flags that the tribe of Judah, Ephraim, Dan, and one other tribe also carried a picture of one of these on their flags and this is evident in the book of Ezekial.

Honour those past by the way you live not through prayer. Kneeling down and crossing your chest in prayer to a person whos test is long over, God wants that attention just for Himself!

Regarding the roman catholic church, do I dare bring up witch burning and mass murder? [/quote]
I thought that I said that only not quite as detailed granted but.....

hey....did you even read my post?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Catalyst' date='Nov 19 2004, 12:45 AM'] Focus on Jesus!!! The whole bible is about Him! [/quote]
The focus of the Bible is God Almighty.