Genesis vs Evolution

[thirsty-for-orthodoxy]

I would really like to hear your opinion on this matter. I will put in my two sense later.

May God hold you and keep you in the palm of His hand.
Kenny

[ironmonk]

Evolution does not contradict Genesis at all.

Provided that when we say "Evolution" we don't mean Darwinism.

Darwinism is foolish and not very well thought out.

And provided that Genesis is looked at in the proper light - The Catholic Light.
The Catholic Church is the only belief system that has a harmony of both scriptures (NT & OT).

God Bless,
ironmonk

Edited November 19, 2004 by ironmonk

[popestpiusx]

T.F.O,

Perhaps you could define the terms used in the Poll, particularly "evolution".

[Dreamweaver]

Heh, I was just pondering creationism vs evolution earlier today! There is no conflict between the two. Science and religion cannot conflict each other.

Evolution has been "proved" at the micro level, among species acquiring and adapting according to their environment (Darwin's finches and the Galapagos Islands for instance). If for whatever reason, people "evolved" from apes, what force was there for some to evolve, but not all apes?

Science doesn't explain how life came to be, why humans have consiousness and how we are different from other life forms.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Dreamweaver' date='Nov 19 2004, 02:56 PM']

Evolution has been "proved" at the micro level, among species acquiring and adapting according to their environment [/quote]
That's why this is more properly and less confusingly called "adaptation". Evolution now has certain conotations that make the term use in this sense confusing.

Edited November 19, 2004 by popestpiusx

[cmotherofpirl]

Somebody start with definitions

[ironmonk]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Nov 19 2004, 04:03 PM'] That's why this is more properly and less confusingly called "adaptation".  Evolution now has certain conotations that make the term use in this sense confusing. [/quote]
Yes...

Darwinism is a major basis for racism if I remember correctly. Darwinism basically claims that the white race is the highest on the evolutionary chain.

Darwinism falls apart on scrutiny. I don't believe we came from apes. I don't believe that we came from any other creature because if we did, there would have had to been millions of them on the earth for us to evolve out of them.

There wouldn't be just Adam and Eve... Cain and Able.... etc...

We would have found something showing the full evolution.

And if there was evolution, then something has to tell the organism to evolve. For example a light sensitive freckle cannot all the sudden turn into an eye... and there is no middle ground or transition period. Darwinism claims this.

Any animal's camoflage... proof that a higher being made them... animals are not smart enough to know to move into something that looks like them... such as a rattlesnake in leaves... a fish on the bottom of the floor of the sea.... the scorpion fish which looks like coral... etc...

The flounder is a great example... a fishes eye cannot just all the sudden move to the other side of the head and make one side of the body look like sand... the eye can't move slowly either because the fish wouldn't be able to survive because of other predators.... if the eye did switch in one genration, how did the fish know to start swimming on its side on the floor of the ocean?! It would have been swimming normal and totally blind on one side... one side being totally white, it wouldn't last two generations before all of them were eaten.

Evolution theory upon study proves that God exists.

God Bless,
ironmonk

Edited November 19, 2004 by ironmonk

[zwergel88]

[quote]Evolution theory upon study proves that God exists.[/quote]

yes, that totally makes sense. the more I read about the theory of evolution the more I see that it truely does prove that God exists. It just makes so much sense. Evolution and Creationism (sp) do not conflict at all.

[Quietfire]

[quote]Darwinism falls apart on scrutiny. I don't believe we came from apes. I don't believe that we came from any other creature because if we did, there would have had to been millions of them on the earth for us to evolve out of them.

There wouldn't be just Adam and Eve... Cain and Able.... etc...

We would have found something showing the full evolution. [/quote]

like the 'missing link' that we have been told about for....how long?
there is no missing link because we are not from apes.

Man has adapted, yes. For example...people are taller now than 100 or 200 years ago. Look at period clothing and you will see. I've been through old homes that I need to duck down just to walk through beautifully made doorframes...Im not saying shotty building here, but well made and who ever built it was simply shorter and the home reflected it here and there. And it is still an adaptation because we seem to be getting taller still. It is no longer unusual to see people reaching 7+ feet in height.

The only thing we havent adapted to, sadly, is learning to love one another without prejudice.




But evolved from apes...uh, no. Dont buy that one.

Pax

[Balthazor]

Iron,

Social Darwinism was the basis for descrimination and racism. Darwin did not think up social Darwinism. It was someone else who decided that some people are more evolved or better than others, it twists the theory of evolution to suite it's own needs. Much like people use isolated parts of the Bible to justify whatever action they want.

I am not correcting you mind you, I am just adding to your opening thought.

God Bless,
Balthazor

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

I do not believe in evolution. I don't know about Young Earth vs. Old Earth though. Haven't read up on that as much (Want to have carbon dating questions answered).

I'de like to point out that many so-called "vestigal" (unused) organs are not longer thought to be "vestigal". They were once thought to be evolutionary baggage.

[Balthazor]

ooo fun fact

8% of people still have a thirteenth rib! Chimpanzees have thirteen ribs. On the other hand Eve was created from a rib....
Read into this what you will I think it is just God screwing with our minds.

[Guest Aluigi]

Balthazor, Darwin's theory did in fact include references to whites as the highest in the evolutionary chain. of course this wouldn't refer to modern darwinism, but charles darwin did consider the white race as the highest of the human evolution chain.

[Balthazor]

I was refering to modern Darwinism.
Social Darwinism is a horse of a different color:P

[Guest Aluigi]

Monk was refering to DARWIN's darwinism, it has been used as an excuse for racism. not social darwinism, darwin's actual theory.

[Don John of Austria]

Evolution obvioussly does occur, germs are evolving to be resistant to Drugs as we speak, however the origins of life cannot be explained by evolution, mud cannot simply become life, we can't construct even a virus from scratch( and they're not even alive). Likewise there are some staggeringly giant holes in evolutionary theory, still on some level it is certianly true, it can be demonstrated and experimentaly proven. Now weather Humans evolved ( as Gods method of Creation) or if he created Man as an individual act of Creation is much more debateable.



Thedude ---yes Carbon dating has been vastly overrated.

[Iacobus]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Nov 19 2004, 01:02 PM'] Evolution does not contradict Genesis at all.

Provided that when we say "Evolution" we don't mean Darwinism.

Darwinism is foolish and not very well thought out.

And provided that Genesis is looked at in the proper light - The Catholic Light.
The Catholic Church is the only belief system that has a harmony of both scriptures (NT & OT).

God Bless,
ironmonk [/quote]
I disagree with you on Darwin's theory being wrong, but I shall assume you are either ignorant (which isn't bad) of the theory or reject it for some other theory (which, again, isn't bad).

Unless of course you are refering to Darwinism as atheistic (forgive my spelling) evolution, in which case you are right.

Evolution doesn't contradict Genesis at all, even the Prot. Bible I have (It was free) says so. I belive what it said was

"Evolution and Genesis? The main theme of Genesis isn't how or in what order things happened, but WHAT made them happen. What you should take away from these three chapters is the universe was made and God made it, not how God made it."

[Iacobus]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Nov 19 2004, 06:32 PM'] Balthazor, Darwin's theory did in fact include references to whites as the highest in the evolutionary chain. of course this wouldn't refer to modern darwinism, but charles darwin did consider the white race as the highest of the human evolution chain. [/quote]
Al,

From what I have read of Darwin, I own a few copys and he is my favorite area of Bio *nerd*, I have seen no support for what you are saying. There is a theory of Social Darwinism *which is the title applied to this* which takes Darwin's theories and applies them to socitiety. Darwin's theories were purely biological, not soc.

[bookwyrm]

They won't even let us read The Descent of Man in public school because it is too racist. While Darwin was applying his theory to biology, not society, he was still implying that other races were biologically inferior to whites.
-Shannon


P.S.
My favorite subject is bio, too!!!!

[Guest Aluigi]

seeing as everyone must have descended from one man and one woman, i can't see how darwinism can even be compatible with Catholic teaching