Scott Hahn

[the lumberjack]

whats this with Scott Hahn saying that the Holy Spirit is the FEMININE part of God???

WHAT?!?!?!?

Catholic priests on every level disagree with Hahn and don't support any of his blathering babble...

good to see some catholics have their stuff together.

so I guess I'm trying to see exactly who here follows Mr Hahn's CRYSTAL CLEAR blasphemy calling the Holy Spirit the feminine part of God.

yes?

no?

why?

[CatholicCrusader]

The neo-cons probably support Hahn, but any good Catholic knows it is a bunch of mumbo-jumbo, which is typical of Hahn on many levels. Even the neo-con New Oxford Review had an article against Hahn (consequently, to show even more their true neo-con colours, the next published periodical had an "apology" to Hahn).

I think truly ridiculous is his idea that the "It is consumated" spoken by Christ on the Cross refers to the Last Supper??

[CatholicCrusader]

lumberjack, you spelled Traditional wrong in your signature, and if you notice, dUst has re-named that person "CatholicCrusader2" (since it was a name I created).

Edited December 1, 2004 by CatholicCrusader

[the lumberjack]

BIGGIDY BIZZUMP!

[cmotherofpirl]

Dr. Hahn is a professor of Theology and Scripture at Franciscan University of Steubenville. He has also lectured and served as adjunct faculty at a variety of diocesan and Vatican-sponsored seminaries and institutions of higher learning, including the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross and the Pontifical University, Regina Apostolorum, both located in Rome.

In 2003, Dr. Hahn became the first lay person to be selected to hold the prestigious Pio Cardinal Laghi Chair for Visiting Professors in Scripture and Theology at the Pontifical College Josephinum in Columbus, Ohio.

Dr. Hahn and his wife Kimberly live in Steubenville, Ohio, with his wife and six children.

He has also signed the Mandatum giving 100% assent and agreement with all Catholic teachings.

[the lumberjack]

are you even IMPLYING that he is CORRECT is saying that the Holy Spirit is the FEMININE part of God?

that assumption made by mr hahn is the most asinine thing I've EVER heard.

right on up there with Jim Jones Kool Aid and the Heaven's Gate lovlies...

[Mateo el Feo]

Interestingly, one of Islam's attacks on Christianity is that God is "Father," with masculine attributes; in contrast to the neutered Allah.

Also, lumberjack, could you quote Scott Hahn's words or was this something on TV? I'm just curious what he said--it's difficult to debate hearsay.

Thanks!

Edited December 1, 2004 by Mateo el Feo

[Mateo el Feo]

PS--I distinctly heard the voice of "Strongbad" in the title of this thread.

[amarkich]

I read this in the New Oxford Review that someone gave me. I believe it was published in one of the summer editions because I read it on the way to Chicago this summer, but it may have been sometime before the summer (and I simply got it a few months after). The author of the article--I do not recall his name--makes a pretty solid case against the Hahnverts (as opposed to converts) and nonsense in some of Scott Hahn's theology. The fact that the Holy Ghost is supposedly a feminine Person of the Trinity is one of the major points of error in Hahn's ever-changing theology. The author points out the fact that, because Hahn converted by his own biblical study and understanding, he has been led to believe that his understanding of the Bible, even when unsupported by Church Fathers or Catholic theologians, is still an acceptable interpretation of various parts of Scripture. The article accuses Hahn of comments that are offensive to pious ears that are proximate to heresy. He makes a fairly solid argument for this thesis. Hahn is an ambitious theologian, but his connections to the so-called Covenant(al) Theology and his personal interpretation of several Scripture passages apart from Catholic Tradition and teaching make his theological writing suspect at least.

[the lumberjack]

Mateo, first of all...YES STRONG BAD!!! hahahah

second, [url="http://www.catholicintl.com/catholicissues/triple1.htm"]hope this helps[/url] cuz thats where I read it.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='amarkich' date='Dec 1 2004, 03:38 PM'] I read this in the New Oxford Review that someone gave me.
...
The author of the article--I do not recall his name--makes a pretty solid case against the Hahnverts (as opposed to converts) and nonsense in some of Scott Hahn's theology. [/quote]
OK, so you read an article written by someone who doesn't like Scott Hahn.

This is textbook hearsay, amarkich, and precisely the reason I asked for some kind of direct quote.

I'm looking all over the Internet, and I can't find any direct quotes anywhere.

[the lumberjack]

didn't you click on the link I posted?

that link is from a VERY catholic site...so you know that they're not just hating on ole scottie boy...

[Duc_In_Altum]

Hey yall, watch it. Let's keep the Scott Hahn bashing to a minimum, yo. He's my uncle.


God bless,


-Joe Hahn

Edited December 1, 2004 by Duc_In_Altum

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Dec 1 2004, 02:10 PM'] I think truly ridiculous is his idea that the "It is consumated" spoken by Christ on the Cross refers to the Last Supper?? [/quote]
Actually, it works on many levels. It refers to the salvation of man, to the establishment of the New Covenant, to the Eucharist, etc. It refers also to the Last Supper, which was a Passover meal. If you have ever been to one, you will notice that Christ stopped at the Last Supper with the third cup out of the four. Then He said that He would not drink of the fruit of the vine again until the Kingdom was established. Then He drank from the Cross, the fourth cup, essentially, and died. He had completed the Passover from the night before and the entire concept of the Passover throughout history-to save man from his sins and to bring him to the heights of heaven.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Duc_In_Altum' date='Dec 1 2004, 03:59 PM'] Hey yall, watch it. Let's keep the Scott Hahn bashing to a minimum, yo. He's my uncle.


God bless,


-Joe Hahn


[/quote]
Are you serious? I'm trying to get into Steubenville...maybe I'll get to meet your uncle...

[Kilroy the Ninja]

ok, I'm not terribly familiar with Scott Hahn's writings, but I too would be interested in exactly why people think he's purporting that the Holy Spirit is feminine. Can anybody point me in the right direction? I did look at the article, but it doesn't quote Hahn at all, nor does it cite his works for this theory.


Saying the Holy Spirit is feminine is mostly likely NOT ok...

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Dec 1 2004, 04:05 PM'] ok, I'm not terribly familiar with Scott Hahn's writings, but I too would be interested in exactly why people think he's purporting that the Holy Spirit is feminine. Can anybody point me in the right direction? I did look at the article, but it doesn't quote Hahn at all, nor does it cite his works for this theory.


Saying the Holy Spirit is feminine is mostly likely NOT ok... [/quote]
I would guess that he wasn't assigning the Holy Spirit a gender, which would be heresy, but that he is relating the mission of the Holy Spirit particularly to the mission of women in the Church.

But then, I'm not sure what is being referred to.

[the lumberjack]

its from "First Comes love"

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Dec 1 2004, 04:14 PM'] its from "First Comes love" [/quote]
I would guess then that it has something to do with Theology of the Body. If that is the case, then it is perfectly acceptable because it is not meant in a literal sense, but as a parallel.

[amarkich]

Wow, is Scott Hahn really your uncle? I do not mean to bash him (if you are considering my comments bashing). I was just making the points that the author made [i]and substantiated with examples[/i]. I have only heard Hahn speak once, but I enjoyed it. Anyway, I think almost all of what he says is good Catholic teaching. The problem is in the few theories that he has formed based on personal interpretation of the Bible without support of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church. Apparently he is quite an insightful man if he was able to understand so many teachings of the Church by personally reading and understanding the Bible.