Scott Hahn

[Brother Adam]

Someone did. Read the whole thread.

[Socrates]

Sorry.

Looks like people are getting all worked up over nothing, seeking out scandal.
Scott Hahn is merely showing showing how married love reflects the life of the Holy Trinity - a quite traditional Catholic concept, by the way. He is making an analogy (which he explicitly states is "not sexual"), which you may like or not like, but he is not being heretical.

He is not saying the Holy Spirit is "feminine" or the female principle of God, or any such thing.

[kateri05]

[quote name='Duc_In_Altum' date='Dec 1 2004, 02:59 PM'] Hey yall, watch it. Let's keep the Scott Hahn bashing to a minimum, yo. He's my uncle.


God bless,


-Joe Hahn


[/quote]
:thread highjack:

ps. thats totally cool

sorry, catholic star struck moment :-p

:returns thread to original discussion:

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Dave' date='Dec 1 2004, 05:35 PM'] There was a link to Catholic Apologetics International earlier in this thread that had some anti-Scott Hahn material on it.  Robert Sungenis, who heads that up, has become an ultratraditionalist and thus would be called "phishy" if he were to come here. [/quote]
Whether he would be phisy on here, or whatever else you would like to say is irrelevant. Address the claims. Don't bash Sungenis. He's not the only one to have problems with Hahn's theology. This is all distracting from the real issue.

I have tremendous respect for Dr. Hahn. On most things I think he is dead on. But that doesn't mean that to disagree with him on this, or any other issue (unless it is defined doctrine that he is defending) makes one a bad Catholic.

Edited December 2, 2004 by popestpiusx

[Guest JeffCR07]

pspx, I agree. I also have a deep-seated respect for Dr. Hahn, but [i]ad hominem[/i] attacks on Sungenis will get us absolutely nowhere.

Eremite provided a brief quotation from one of Dr. Hahn's books that dealt with the issue, and provided at least a somewhat solid argument for the case that Dr. Hahn was asserting an analogy, not an ontological truth regarding the nature of God. Does anyone in the opposite camp have a refutation of these points?

[Apotheoun]

I took my Theological Foundations class at Franciscan University with Dr. Hahn and he constantly emphasized the importance of obedience to the Church's Magisterium, and in particular to the teaching authority of the Pope. In defense of Dr. Hahn it should also be noted that he makes it clear in his book "First Comes Love" that his views on the Holy Spirit as feminine are speculative and that he submits willingly to the judgment of the Magisterium as to whether or not they are ultimately held to be acceptable.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='JeffCR07' date='Dec 2 2004, 01:11 AM'] Does anyone in the opposite camp have a refutation of these points? [/quote]
Possibly, but not right now. I find the analogy/reference/whatever we want to call it, problematic, or at least imprudent. But as I said above I need to return to the materials before I will say one way or other.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='Dec 2 2004, 01:25 AM'] I took my Theological Foundations class at Franciscan University with Dr. Hahn and he constantly emphasized the importance of obedience to the Church's Magisterium, and in particular to the teaching authority of the Pope.  In defense of Dr. Hahn it should also be noted that he makes it clear in his book "First Comes Love" that his views on the Holy Spirit as feminine are speculative and that he submits willingly to the judgment of the Magisterium as to whether or not they are ultimately held to be acceptable. [/quote]
I do not doubt his obedience, even when I disagree with him on a given matter. But on this issue I think his speculation is imprudent at best. But, (read qualifier above).

Edited December 2, 2004 by popestpiusx

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Dec 1 2004, 08:50 PM'] I have tremendous respect for Dr. Hahn. On most things I think he is dead on. But that doesn't mean that to disagree with him on this, or any other issue (unless it is defined doctrine that he is defending) makes one a bad Catholic. [/quote]
Agreed.

[qfnol31]

I think there are many things good to disagree on. Just wars...New Natural Law theory vs. Traditional Natural Law theory...etc.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Dec 1 2004, 03:05 PM'] whats this with Scott Hahn saying that the Holy Spirit is the FEMININE part of God???

WHAT?!?!?!?

Catholic priests on every level disagree with Hahn and don't support any of his blathering babble...

good to see some catholics have their stuff together.

so I guess I'm trying to see exactly who here follows Mr Hahn's CRYSTAL CLEAR blasphemy calling the Holy Spirit the feminine part of God.

yes?

no?

why? [/quote]
When it comes down to it... a lot of people do not know what feminine really means... it does not mean "Female"... it means soft qualities.


If we all agree that the Holy Spirit nurtures us.... Nurturing is a feminine quality.

So I can understand his view if he actually said that.

Scott Hahn is a great author and speaker... the man is wise... the man is a layman, like most of us here.... we are not infallible...

Lumberjack,
before getting in a huff over something said, please try to find out what the persone meant by it.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[ironmonk]

[b]fem·i·nine [/b]
1. Of or relating to women or girls. See Synonyms at female.
2. Characterized by or possessing qualities generally attributed to a woman.
3. Effeminate; womanish.
4. Grammar. Designating or belonging to the gender of words or grammatical forms that refer chiefly to females or to things classified as female.


Please note #2.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[PennyLane]

Scott Hahn is great.

I don't think he meant literally what he said about the holy spirit.

In latin, the holy spirit would be considered feminine too.

[Gal. 5:22,23]

This is not a new teaching. I've heard it from those who practice Jewish mysticism, among others. Here's an article that quotes evangelicals and a Catholic. I don't agree, but here it is.

[url="http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1667"]http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1667[/url]

[Socrates]

Again, in the source posted, Dr. Hahn did NOT call the Holy Spirit "the feminine part of God." That is distorting what he said and putting words into his mouth.

Please, people, argue about what he actually did say, not what his detractors claim him to say! This is how slanders and ugly rumors get started - the devil loves this kind of stuff!

[Gal. 5:22,23]

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that Hahn said anything of the sort. I was just saying that this notion is not a new one.

[Socrates]

Gal., my post wasn't really in reply to yours. It was a general comment - people were still arguing about the Holy Spirit being "feminine" when this isn't what Dr. Hahn said.

[Duc_In_Altum]

[quote]Wow, is Scott Hahn really your uncle? I do not mean to bash him (if you are considering my comments bashing).[/quote]


[b]D'oh![/b]


Oh nooo, guys! I'm really sorry. Ok, let me explain. I'm kinda new to a hard core Catholic college where there are a lot of peeps that really like Scott Hahn's writings (I am one of them). When i was meeting tons of folks back in august, I would introduce myself as Joe Hahn (real name f'sho). People would always be immeadiately asking if we were related. And i kept a tally in the first week i was here on how many people would ask me. (54 in all!). So, after a while, i would just naturally respond, "yes, he's my uncle." Just to see people's reactions. I would then immediately tell them that i only wished he was my uncle. It was really funny.....you had to be there.

I meant to immediately append that message and explain, but i had to leave really quick and then i forgot about it! Sorry to mislead anyone! I do still wish he was my uncle but that just aint happening anytime soon. Please forgive me! I didn't mean to make anyone feel guilty!


God Bless,

-Joe Hahn (not really Scott's nephew)

Edited December 3, 2004 by Duc_In_Altum

[Oik]

[quote]-Joe Hahn (not really Scott's nephew)[/quote]
lol

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Duc_In_Altum' date='Dec 3 2004, 04:41 AM'] -Joe Hahn (not really Scott's nephew) [/quote]
Yeah,

I know how it feels.

- Mateo Wojtyla

















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