Gal 5:22,23

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 9 2004, 12:34 AM'] Finally one of the problems here is that there is no Orthodox Church, Thee is a Russian Orthodox Church and Greek Orthodox Church, and a Serbian Orthodox Church and so on. The National Nature of The Orthodox Churches is a great divider, not to mention their subjegation by the State, reunification is not possible so long as the National nature of Orthodoxy is so prominant. [/quote]
Yes, I was going to say something on this, but you said it much better than I would have, Don John.

[spathariossa]

[quote name='Balthazor' date='Dec 9 2004, 12:37 AM'] I am sorry are you being sarcastic or not?




you think arassing Catholics is fun...man you gotta try Jehovah's witnesses.....I mean they ask for it!
They come right up to your door.

I am like "welcome to my parlor".

Evangelicals are fun too, I lived on the evangelical bible thumper floor of an on campus apartment......man that was fun.


Truthfully I hope that this rift heals, I like the Orthodox Church I want the Catholic and the Orthodox to get together.

If you looked through my posts you will notice I lived in Poland for five months.....so I was on the border of Catholicism and Orthodoxy.....and in many ways and places they influenced each other there.

Check this out [url="http://www.zamek-lublin.pl/zamekeng/kaplica.htm"]http://www.zamek-lublin.pl/zamekeng/kaplica.htm[/url]

you will like it. [/quote]
That's amazing! It's like...both churches in one. I too hope the schism ends soon. I like Catholics, and I might still be Catholic if I hadn't been living in California. The different diocese in America even make a huge difference in worship. And I'd love to tour the cathedrals of Europe. I love Gothic Cathedrals almost as much as Hagia Sophia.

[Don John of Austria]

It is nt a misconception, historicly it has be very important, and is tied up with your subjegation to hte state, If the head of Russia wantsthe Patriarch to give in Historicly he is likely too( even to the communist) but that didn't mean that the Patriarch in Constantinople gave in on the same issue, Your Rite is the same, unified, but your Churches are not.

[spathariossa]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 9 2004, 12:41 AM'] It is nt a misconception, historicly it has be very important, and is tied up with your subjegation to hte state, If the head of Russia wantsthe Patriarch to give in Historicly he is likely too( even to the communist) but that didn't mean that the Patriarch in Constantinople gave in on the same issue, Your Rite is the same, unified, but your Churches are not. [/quote]
The disagreement amongst regional heads of the Church are what makes Orthodoxy what it is. If you're saying that reunification isn't possible because there is no way the bishops would all willingly submit to the pope at the same time then you're right - and that is why Orthodoxy is correct. There is no way for all of us to lapse into heresy at once. That way saints like Athanasius and Nicholas can pull us out of the fire. However, if the Bishop of Rome gave up his false claim to primacy and we took down the Vatican then re-unification would be entirely possible. In fact, the centralization of Catholicism is the reason it has gone astray. Orthodoxy couldn't change dogma or doctrine if it wanted to because we'd have to have everyone agree on it. Catholicism on the other hand changes depending on which way the breeze blows on issues of discipline anyway.

[Don John of Austria]

Well AS fun as this is I'll have to pick it up tomorrow, good night all.

[spathariossa]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Dec 9 2004, 12:36 AM'] Perhaps I was wrong, but you seem to be rather gleeful in your calling yourself a schismatic-- as though you desire schism... like you like division and are proud of it. If that was not the impression you were trying to give, I appologize. [/quote]
This is nothing but propaganda...just like their page on the schism. However, even they can't deny that the filioque was invented in the West and went against previous teachings try as they might to cloud things.

[Balthazor]

I will give you more info on that chapel if you want.
The King that commissioned the painting was Lithuanian, so he was Orthodox. He might have Converted to Catholicism. I don;t remember.
But yeah, Poland and Lithuania were a commonwealth back in the day, there are interesting influences when you get to the eastern part of Poland.

But right now I have to get back to work.
Have fun talk to you later.

[spathariossa]

[quote name='Balthazor' date='Dec 9 2004, 12:58 AM'] I will give you more info on that chapel if you want.
The King that commissioned the painting was Lithuanian, so he was Orthodox. He might have Converted to Catholicism. I don;t remember.
But yeah, Poland and Lithuania were a commonwealth back in the day, there are interesting influences when you get to the eastern part of Poland.

But right now I have to get back to work.
Have fun talk to you later.

[/quote]
Yeah funny thing about that was Lithuania being pagan for much of that period. Last big pagan empire. I like the Teutonic Knights. Sure they're catholic and killed orthodox christians but they're German holy knights. Being of German background and Catholic background I have a fondness for the little guys. Hence the avatar.

[toledo_jesus]

it seemed to claim that the Greek Fathers from the early days were supportive of the Ghost proceeding from the Father and the Son.
[url="http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/history/creed.filioque.txt"]I found this one interesting as well.[/url]

hmmm...

St. Athanasius writes in about 360 to Serapion of Thmius:

> Insofar as we understand the special relationship of the Son to
> the Father, we also understand that the Spirit has this same
> relationship to the Son. And since the Son says, "everything
> that the Father has is mine (John 16:15)," we will discover all
> these things also in the Spirit. through the Son. And just as
> the Son was announced by the Father, who said, "This is my
> beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased (Matthew 3:17)," so also
> is the Spirit of the Son; for, as the Apostle says, "He has
> sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, 'Abba!
> Father!' (Galatians 4:6)."

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='spathariossa' date='Dec 9 2004, 12:51 AM'] This is nothing but propaganda...just like their page on the schism. However, even they can't deny that the filioque was invented in the West and went against previous teachings try as they might to cloud things. [/quote]
I have no idea what you are talking about with reference to what I just said.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Dec 9 2004, 02:02 AM'] I have no idea what you are talking about with reference to what I just said. [/quote]
I think he was addressing my post of the Filioque entry in the Catholic encyclopedia


goodnight all.

Edited December 9, 2004 by toledo_jesus

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Dec 9 2004, 01:03 AM'] I think he was addressing my post of the Filioque entry in the Catholic encyclopedia [/quote]
But I was quoted...

[Balthazor]

[quote name='spathariossa' date='Dec 9 2004, 12:59 AM'] Yeah funny thing about that was Lithuania being pagan for much of that period. Last big pagan empire. I like the Teutonic Knights. Sure they're catholic and killed orthodox christians but they're German holy knights. Being of German background and Catholic background I have a fondness for the little guys. Hence the avatar. [/quote]
I have also been to Malbork.

I will see i I can find my pictures.

[spathariossa]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Dec 9 2004, 01:04 AM'] But I was quoted... [/quote]
Haha. Wrong quote. And I'm not a "he." Though I know you didn't say it. Even though I'm quoting you. I should probably go to bed now...

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Dec 8 2004, 10:57 PM']

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[quote]Aye, true, he was a sinner, but I would not put my stock into a man so emotional unstable to be my "Pillar and Foundation of Truth". [/quote] Why not? Roman Catholics put their faith in a man so emotionally unstable as Pope Leo X to be their pillar and foundation of Truth.

[quote]Though then again you are at liberty in Protestantism at the buffet of beliefs, to pick and choose truth as you are most comfortable with.[/quote] Don't be a fool, Bro. Adam. The doctrine of election makes the fleshly part of me (not my Spirit - my Spirit rejoices in the great mercy shown in Election) squirm and want to reject it. But I do not - the Word of God constrains me to believe its truth.