CCC 841

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 14 2004, 09:58 PM'] No I just thought that you said you where, I assure you I don'tthink any more or less of anyone based on their appearance at the Seminary, any of the Old timers can tell you about my War with Sacradotus. He was a seminarian, and that carried absolutely no wieght at all, he was the first person banned from phatmass.


I actually like you a great deal, you simply have a habit making sure you are oppositional even when there is little or no opposition between us, I assure you of two things I will never ever ever say who is certianly saved excpt to say that the Saints are certianly saved, and I will never say who( as an individual) is or is not Damned, I will however say what brings one to Salvation and what causes one to Burn. Outside of the Church there is no Salvation--- If one is not truly invincibly ignorant and one is not a Catholic one cannot be saved. [/quote]
Agreed. My apologies for the negative comments.

[Don John of Austria]

I also appologize for anything I said which may have appeared condescending.

[Theoketos]

I Wonder if ICTHUS even bothered to read all of that? Any way I hope he did/

[Budge]

1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Right here it says that the author of the KORAN is a LIAR.

Who is the father of lies?

SATAN.


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This verse right here proves the author of the Koran is Satan.

1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

[Benedict]

Not totally on topic but a related issue:

[url="http://www.catholic.org/featured/sheen.php?ID=1311"]http://www.catholic.org/featured/sheen.php?ID=1311[/url]

[Brother Adam]

I can make the Bible say anything I want it to also.

Aside from that, please don't go into international politics. If you can't respect others who have differing beliefs you'd only cause trouble.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Budge' date='Dec 15 2004, 12:45 PM'] 1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Right here it says that the author of the KORAN is a LIAR.

Who is the father of lies?

SATAN.


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This verse right here proves the author of the Koran is Satan.

1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. [/quote]
You miss the point Budge and fail to consider the lies that the Good Samaritan may well have been taught, having been raised in a mixture of Judaism and the pagan religions of the Assyrians. Yet Christ held him up as an example to be followed for his Christian charity that he lived according to the law written on his heart. Much of the Koran is right out of scripture as I understand so are you saying it is all lies? Does that mean all that read the Koran are liars? I will leave that to God to judge.

Edited December 15, 2004 by thessalonian

[Don John of Austria]

[quote]Right here it says that the author of the KORAN is a LIAR.

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I think more likely a dupe than a liar, I believe Mohammed was spoken to by an angel, I just believe it was a Fallen angel, did he realize it was a Demon, probably not, did his followers, also probably not, the Muslims are the victims of the DEvils trickery, we should pity them, we should try and evangalize them,and we should never allow ourselves to be influanced by the same lie that they where. If neccessary we might even fight them, but I think it is unfair to say that they are all liars because we have not done enough of any those catagories.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Budge' date='Dec 14 2004, 08:34 PM'] One of the most false things the Catholic church is teaching now is that Allah equals God.

The Quran even denies Christ directly! Did you all know that? [/quote]
I guess the Jews aren't worshipping the same God either. After all, they don't regard Christ as the Son of God anyway (just like the Muslims).

[Benedict]

I think every argument I have seen against Moslems includes Jews as well, even though this is almost never the intent.