Scott Peterson Death Sentence

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='JesusSaves1000s' date='Dec 13 2004, 08:53 PM'] I think Peterson is innocent because a lot of people have been vouching for his innocence. Nobody vouched for O.J. Simpson's innocence because we all knew he commited the crime. It's sad how a killer like O.J. can get away, and an innocent man like Peterson can get wrongfully accused. There has been cases where they have executed innocent people to only find the real killer several days later, but oops it is too late. It's like in the movie Shawshank Redemption where Tim Robbins never killed his wife, it was that sick old man. Who here can play God? [/quote]
A little bit of advice -- making references to Hollywood movies, especially ones based on pieces of fiction by prominent authors, really gives one's point of view on crime and punishment a lot less weight.

Why not point out an actual case where this has happened, which I'm sure it has, instead of saying "It happens in the movies!" I don't mean to sound nitpicky and I understand what it is you're trying to say but don't bring Hollywood into it. Please.

[J.R.D]

CLOSE THIS THRED PLZ ... HE IS GANNA DIE SO PLZ CLOSE THIS THRED!!!!

[Guest Aluigi]

? 1st of all, because of the fact that there's so many people ahead of him in line in california, he's prolly more likely to die of old age (they procrastinate out there). 2nd, why would the thread be closed? if he committed the murder, it is a just action for the government to put him to death.

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Dec 13 2004, 11:28 PM'] If you deliberately take an innocent human life, you forfeit your own.
In this case he is convicted of taking TWO innocent lives.

Why is this concept difficult? [/quote]
You need to balance it with Church teaching.

[cmotherofpirl]

I am. Church teaching AND natural law.

[Guest Aluigi]

Church teaching is simply that governments should consider mercy when there is a chance for the criminal to be contained. but no state execution of an actual murder could be considered murder or unjust. it could be unjust of a government to be unmerciful, but the actual execution is always deserved and just (when the person has in fact committed the murder)

[MagiDragon]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Dec 13 2004, 10:28 PM'] If you deliberately take an innocent human life, you forfeit your own.
In this case he is convicted of taking TWO innocent lives. [/quote]
well . . . yes we need to account for Church teaching, but her point remains quite valid: the guy deserves to die. Whether the state is merciful in this case is a completely separate issue.

Peace,
Joe

[Oik]

It's offensive to say that people from the south like the death penalty in general. Also, what does it matter what people in the south think about it?

I don't live (nor was I born) in the South, but I did live there and I have great respect for southerners, please show yours.

[Don John of Austria]

Well here in texas most people ar e for the death penelty, but I don't see what that has to do with anything.

I guess I am in the minority here, but i don'tthink Peterson should have been convicted on the paltry amount of physical evidence that there was. That doesn't mean he didn't do it, I have no idea if he did it, butthere was no where near enough evidence to convict him justly. As for the Death penelty, I don't think thatthat punishment is out of line with the crime, i just don't think He should have been convicted of the crime.


I also think OJ was innocent.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Oik' date='Dec 14 2004, 12:25 AM'] It's offensive to say that people from the south like the death penalty in general. Also, what does it matter what people in the south think about it?

I don't live (nor was I born) in the South, but I did live there and I have great respect for southerners, please show yours. [/quote]
I think they meant south of the Canadian border... I, in Minnesota, am south...

[Ash Wednesday]

For Canadians making inquiries to Americans, just say "South of the 49!" That's less confusing.

[hyperdulia again]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 14 2004, 12:33 AM'] Well here in texas most people ar e for the death penelty, but I don't see what that has to do with anything.

I guess I am in the minority here, but i don'tthink Peterson should have been convicted on the paltry amount of physical evidence that there was. That doesn't mean he didn't do it, I have no idea if he did it, butthere was no where near enough evidence to convict him justly. As for the Death penelty, I don't think thatthat punishment is out of line with the crime, i just don't think He should have been convicted of the crime.


I also think OJ was innocent. [/quote]
Don, I agree. Well, accept for the OJ thing.

[I Choose to Be Holy]

haha yes I was refering to USA in general as I am from Canada where we don't have the death penalty. Sorry I should have clarified.

Anyway, I don't have a lot of research or anything to back me up so keep in mind this is just imho.
1)The whole argument made previously that because he took a life supposively, then he deserves to die comes from the OT Eye for an Eye thing. However, when Christ came, He revamped that when He talks about turning another cheek, etc etc. Just food for thought.
2) By the very fact that when they perform the capital punishment itself they have to have some um fakies so that the ones performing it don't know for sure it is them who are doing it and can walk away assuming they pulled the fake handle or something, reminds me how very wrong I find it.
3) I truly care about the souls of those people..not that we can have any idea if where they are going and God's mercy and grace...
4) Jesus, our King and Savior was killed by means of Capital Punishment.

[InHisHands381]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 14 2004, 12:33 AM'] Well here in texas most people are for the death penelty
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I've already voiced my opinions on the death penalty in another thread. As for Texas in general, I think most people around here are indifferent (at least that's what I've encountered).

[Don John of Austria]

Statisticly most people are for it in Texas, ask those you think are indifferant to sign a etition agianst it, I bet you'll find when it comes down to it the aren't as indifferantas you might think.

[qfnol31]

I can't sign a petition against it, personally, because what about that one time it is necessary?

[Don John of Austria]

point made.

[qfnol31]

And I'm a Texan who was asked just three days or so ago.

[Guest Aluigi]

if he did kill, he deserves to die. yes Jesus was killed by capital punishment. he didn't deserve it. but the good theif admitted that he and the other theif did deserve it, and the Good Theif was right.

sometimes it's a quicker way to repentence to face death than to face years and years in a state of confinement. it depends, either way that point is moot because longer time in jail doesn't necessarily mean more repentence, and many times it doesnt.

Church teaching says that absolutely any time that a person who actually murdered another person is executed by the state it is just. it also says that the state should consider mercy when the prisoner is not a danger to society, any time that the state considers mercy and lets him off without executing him that is a good action (except when that person is still a threat to society, in which case the state MUST execute them. but if they are not a threat, the government is not required to execute them and should be merciful.

that's what the Church teaches. who knows whether Peterson was guilty, but listening to the jurors talk about it I trust them more than anyone else. they followed the rules and took the evidence and such, so if i had to say i'd agree with the jurrors.

so long as a person is guilty of such a crime, it is just for them to be executed. it is not merely eye for an eye, this is a seperate occassion in that bible that comes for if you kill someone else you forfeit your own life. this was not contradicted in any of Jesus' teaching, but rather he affirmed the God-given right of a government to execute when he spoke to Pilate, saying the authority Pilate had over Him was only given to him by God.

when someone kills someone, their life becomes the cause of another death. therefore their life no longer belongs to them, it is forfeited because it was the cause of anothers death, it is thus justly put to death (by a state authority).

[JesusSaves1000s]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Dec 13 2004, 10:31 PM'] A little bit of advice -- making references to Hollywood movies, especially ones based on pieces of fiction by prominent authors, really gives one's point of view on crime and punishment a lot less weight.

Why not point out an actual case where this has happened, which I'm sure it has, instead of saying "It happens in the movies!" I don't mean to sound nitpicky and I understand what it is you're trying to say but don't bring Hollywood into it. Please. [/quote]
This is coming from a person who respects a jury who let a cold blooded killer like O.J. Simpson go free. I never said "It happened in the movies!" I was using it as an example.