Rainbow Sash

[Scofizzle]

You may be familiar with the Rainbow Sash Movement. As a Eucharistic Minister do I have the right to deny the Eucharist to someone who comes to communion wearing a rainbow sash? They are obviously living in sin and turning themselves into a sign of public sign of disobedience to the Magisterium?

[spathariossa]

I don't think you have the right to just decide it. I do however think you have the responsibility to ask your priest what you should do in such a situation. If he tells you not to serve them then you should most certainly not serve them.

[Scofizzle]

I forgot to add....this hasnt happened to me I am just curious.....I actually just submitted this question on our youth website on the ask Father Bart section.

[jmjtina]

[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=23722&view=findpost&p=416514"]http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showt...ndpost&p=416514[/url]

People who are proud of the sinful lifestyle they lead should not be recieving communion. It's one thing to be sorry for your sins, it's quite another to want the Church to conform to fit your sinful lifestyle.

Pax.

[spathariossa]

[quote name='Scofizzle' date='Dec 14 2004, 12:22 AM'] I forgot to add....this hasnt happened to me I am just curious.....I actually just submitted this question on our youth website on the ask Father Bart section. [/quote]
Yeah I think that is a great way to go. Deferring things like this to the proper authorities is always best.

[Scofizzle]

yes i agree totally just curious what the pham thought....there are some seriously scholarly folks here...

[toledo_jesus]

a stellar argument for doing away with [i]Extraordinary[/i] Ministers whenever humanly possible. A lay person is not qualified to make that decision...but I voted yes because I would deny it if I were in that position.

[hyperdulia again]

I don't think lay persons can refuse each other communin. talk to your priest.

[Balthazor]

hmmm....
I don't know as much about the rainbow sash movement as I should,
but I do see this a lot..

I often see young couples together. And I have seen young couples who I know are sexually active, go up to communion, couples who live together going up to communion. What do you do about them?
I am not a Eucharistic minister, so I do not have this problem, but what would you do if you had this knowledge and they came up to commuion?
Do you give them the benefit of the doubt, that they went to confession?

I ask because I see it happen. Do I judge on what I know for sure, or do I let them judge for themselves and give them the benefit of the doubt?

[Oik]

True. Ask your parish priest.

However, if you don't feel confortable administering to RSM, don't do it. Let your pastor know you don't feel comfortable.

I hope to be a deacon one day. If this problem ever came to me, I would let my pastor know that I would not serve communion to those wearing a sash.

Either that or I'd coordinate a big Rainbow sash year in which we passed out the exact same rainbow sashes that RSM wear at Mass. Then, everyone would be the same.

I'd give my deacons sermon on how God's covenant with Noah was in the form of a rainbow and how the sashes are to remember how our alleignce is to God.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Oik' date='Dec 14 2004, 12:29 AM'] Either that or I'd coordinate a big Rainbow sash year in which we passed out the exact same rainbow sashes that RSM wear at Mass. Then, everyone would be the same.

I'd give my deacons sermon on how God's covenant with Noah was in the form of a rainbow and how the sashes are to remember how our alleignce is to God.
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[Ash Wednesday]

I'd probably discuss it with the priest beforehand. I would think having an awareness of all potential situations and what to do should be clarified beforehand.

And yes, the scholarly folk probably have a more succinct answer than me.

[jmjtina]

[quote][u]No communion for those with Rainbow Sash[/u]
Richard Evans Lee  May 25, 2004

If you are old enough and exert your memory hard enough you may remember a time when the American Roman Catholic Church seemed mostly benign. While they were staunchly anti-abortion you associated most of the church’s clergy with liberal and humane causes.

Cardinal Francis George of Chicago seems to be typical of today’s Catholic hierarchy.

“We wear the sash because it is a symbol of the gifts that we bring to the church as gay and lesbian people,” said Joe Murray of Chicago. “It’s a symbol that we need to also be ministered to as gay and lesbian people and we can’t be ministered to in the clerical closet.”

But the cardinal wrote that wearing the sash indicates disagreement with church teaching that gay sexual relations are sinful, and therefore those who wear the sash should not receive communion.[/quote]

[DancesforLove]

Ya'll are all aware of my opinion and now which I picked.

[spathariossa]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Dec 14 2004, 12:27 AM'] a stellar argument for doing away with [i]Extraordinary[/i] Ministers whenever humanly possible. A lay person is not qualified to make that decision...but I voted yes because I would deny it if I were in that position. [/quote]
I agree. I don't think lay people are qualified to make these decisions. What if we had a rainbow sash wearing EM???

[hyperdulia again]

Tina, this is true, but I am positive that lay people cannot prevent ech other from recieving the sacraments for ANY reason. Please talk to your priest.

Edited December 14, 2004 by hyperdulia again

[jmjtina]

We all struggle with our crosses. Let us pray that we all can become saints.

Pax.

[Scofizzle]

at least he knows what it really means.....There have been churches where ushers have knealt in the isles to prevent the people wearing rainbow sashes from going to the front to recieve communion. A lot of people obviously are not understanding what the term infallible means........they think that because they dont think its a sin its not so they are not in sin and they can recieve communion but in actuality disagreeing with the church about the sin being sinful and recieving communion is a sin in itself...right?

[hyperdulia again]

culpability for any sin is not something e should try to discern outside of the confessional. THIS is why lay people should not be dispensing Our Lord's body, blood, soul, and divinity.

[qfnol31]

[quote name='hyperdulia again' date='Dec 13 2004, 11:39 PM'] Tina, this is true, but I am positive that lay people cannot prevent ech other from recieving the sacraments for ANY reason. Please talk to your priest. [/quote]
It's true.