Creation

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Jan 13 2005, 01:02 PM'] Six days... He rested on the 7th. [/quote]
Uh......I mean, me too.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='bookwyrm' date='Jan 13 2005, 07:01 PM'] Are you willing to put forward any reasonable scientific argument for this, or are you basing your stance on a scientific issue only on the Bible (which doesn't presume to teach us science)?

I'm just interested. I have nothing against either creationism or evolutionism, but I have yet to hear any intelligent creationist arguments, and I'd be interested in finding some.

God bless,

-Bookwyrm [/quote]
Let me give you a short list of creationists:

[b]Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo[/b]
Prof. Emeritus, California State University
Adjunct Prof. of Physiology,
Institute for Creation Research
M.S., Kinesiology
Univ. of Illinois
Ph.D., Kinesiology,
Univ.of Iowa
Post-Doc Research, Human Physiology,
Univ.of Chicago Medical School

[b]Rev. Victor P. Warkulwiz [/b]
Ph.D., Physics, Temple Univ.
M.Div., Mount Saint Mary's Seminary
M.A. in Theology, Holy Apostles Seminary

[b]Robert Bennett [/b]
Ph.D., Physics, Stevens Tech

[b]Eric D. Bermingham[/b]
M.S.,
Aeronautical and Astronautical Eng., Univ. of Illinois

[b]Guy Berthault [/b]
Graduate Ecole Polytechnique, France

[b]Eugene Conti [/b]
Masters,
Marine Science, C.W. Post College of Long Island University
M.D., Autonomous University of Guadalajara

[b]Maciej Giertych[/b]
M.A., Oxford Univ., Forestry
Ph.D., Univ. of Toronto,
Tree Physiology
Dr. habil(~DSc), Poznan Agricultural Acad, Tree genetics

[b]Fr. George Kosicki, C.S.B [/b]
Ph.D., Biochemistry

[b]Hugh R. Miller [/b]
Senior chemist, Columbus Radio Assay Laboratory
OSU graduate courses:
Nuclear physics, Radiochemistry,
Spectroscopic analysis,
Electrochemical/ radioactivation analysis research

[b]Edward A. Razz[/b]
Senior Engineer, Lockheed Martin Corporation
M.S.,
Mechanical Engineering,
Union College

[b]Richard J. Neves [/b]
B.S., Zoology University of Rhode Island (1968)
M.S., Zoology University of Maine (1973)
Ph.D., Fisheries University of Massachusetts (1977)

[b]Thomas P. Schuman [/b]
M.S., Chemistry
Ph.D., Materials Science,
Univ. of Alabama in Huntsville

[b]Josef Seifert [/b]
Ph.D., Dr. phil., Univ. of Salzburg
Habilitation,
Dr. Phil. habil.,
Univ. of Munich

[b]Joseph Strada [/b]
Ph.D.,
Aerospace Engineering

[b]Michael Zaccaria [/b]
M.S., Mechanical Engineering
M.S., Materials Engineering
Ph.D., Aerospace Engineering
M.S., Computer Science

[popestpiusx]

This site is a good place to start:
[url="http://www.kolbecenter.org/"]http://www.kolbecenter.org/[/url]

[cathqat]

[quote name='Joseph' date='Jan 14 2005, 01:58 AM'] As a biologist, I have to say evolution is an excellent theory. Whether God decided to create everything in a way like evolution or to create everything within 6 days, I'm not sure. I dont think about it too much, since what is important is understanding that everything was created by God, not how He did it. [/quote]
I couldn't agree more.

[Sojourner]

My dad has been a literal 7-dayer for as long as I can remember, and he's pretty vociferous in his defense of it.

Now that I'm a little older, I realize that his need for scientific evidence to prove creationism came from a need for an outside authentication of the Bible ... to many evangelicals, evolution is a threat because they see is at a direct attack on the authenticity of the Bible, and therefore as a direct attack on their faith.

As a Catholic, I feel a great deal more freedom to explore alternatives without fearing for the foundations of my faith. At this point, I'm in agreement with Joseph and cathqat ... God could have done it however he saw fit, and I don't think about it too much one way or another.

[bookwyrm]

[quote name='Joseph' date='Jan 14 2005, 02:58 AM'] The funny thing is that studying science has helped strengthen my faith in God. [/quote]
Likewise. But what's so funny about that? It makes perfect sense to me.

Edited January 14, 2005 by bookwyrm

[Snarf]

Sorry, but I kind of laughed at that list of creationists.

[FilmGuy127]

ok, its agreed that it doesnt really make a diffrence wether or not it was 7 days or millions of years... i can go with that...

the question, or rather thought, that springs to my mind now is that either way... there was a creation of the fossil record of the earth... we know there are dinos buried down there... so... if it was 7days were they put there in that state?

...kinda like in hitchhikers guide...

and either way... what was/is the point of the dinos...

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Snarf' date='Jan 14 2005, 06:56 PM'] Sorry, but I kind of laughed at that list of creationists. [/quote]
What's funny about it? Just curious.

I bet it would be very interesting to hear those guys takes on things, I'm sure they know a lot.

[Joseph]

Both "theories" could be right. God could have made everything develop through an evolutionary process of some sort within 6 days, and make it appear like it was billions of years to us. I mean, He is God.

Filmguy, you bring up interesting questions I wish I knew the answers to. Perhaps a long time from now God will enlighten us on how and why He created everything the way He did.

[FilmGuy127]

yeah... that would be cool... maybe itll be like the special features on the creation dvd...

just imagine what that audio commentary would be like... "....uh welcome to the... audio commentary on the dvd of existince.... im God, i was the supreme being for this one... yeah for this mountain we had to accutally use two volcanos.... "

... maybe he put em there to give us something to dig up... or maybe for the fossil fuels... anyway its kinda fun to think about...

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='thessalonian' date='Jan 13 2005, 10:37 AM'] We must believe that God created a man called Adam and a woman called Eve. [/quote]
i acknowledge that we must believe that humanity began w/ one man and one woman, but it was my understanding that we didn't have to believe that "Adam" and "Eve" were their names. am i wrong about that?

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Jan 14 2005, 08:19 PM'] What's funny about it? Just curious.

I bet it would be very interesting to hear those guys takes on things, I'm sure they know a lot. [/quote]
I have heard them speak. They are quite interesting.

[Guest JeffCR07]

The names "Adam" and "Eve" can be understood as assertions that they are First Parents, rather than actual, literal names. However, it must always be held that there were indeed two individuals, one male, one female, whom God created, who were the First Parents of all humanity, and who were created in a State of Original Justice but fell from such Grace through Original Sin.

- Your Brother In Christ, Jeff

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Jan 15 2005, 09:34 AM'] i acknowledge that we must believe that humanity began w/ one man and one woman, but it was my understanding that we didn't have to believe that "Adam" and "Eve" were their names. am i wrong about that? [/quote]
I think arguing over there names is pointless. Other than the significance of the meaning of the names, I don't know that it is terribly relevent. I think you are pretty much right though. We have to believe that all mankind descended from two first parents. It is also de fide that the woman was created from the side of the man (if Fr. Brian Harrison is correct, which I think is the case).

[popestpiusx]

Sorry about the redundancy, Jeff.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='FilmGuy127' date='Jan 14 2005, 08:17 PM'] ok, its agreed that it doesnt really make a diffrence wether or not it was 7 days or millions of years... i can go with that...

the question, or rather thought, that springs to my mind now is that either way... there was a creation of the fossil record of the earth... we know there are dinos buried down there... so... if it was 7days were they put there in that state?

...kinda like in hitchhikers guide...

and either way... what was/is the point of the dinos... [/quote]
The Fossil record actually does more to disprove the old earth theory than it does to support it. Just think about it. How many animals do you know of that stick around long enough after they die to become fossilized. Fossils are not created over millions of years. They would have to be created almost instantly to preserve the kind of detail commonly found (scales, feathers, in some cases, even soft materials like the space that would have been filled by the body (not the shell) of a snail).

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Jan 15 2005, 11:45 AM'] They would have to be created almost instantly to preserve the kind of detail commonly found (scales, feathers, in some cases, even soft materials like the space that would have been filled by the body (not the shell) of a snail). [/quote]
You mean like in a massive flood?

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Jan 15 2005, 01:14 PM'] You mean like in a massive flood? [/quote]
That would be one explanation.

[Joseph]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Jan 15 2005, 11:45 AM'] The Fossil record actually does more to disprove the old earth theory than it does to support it. [/quote]
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that is one argument used by some creationists......that when you look at fossils, you hardly find any cases of a "transition" type animal, an animal that would be in transition in evolving from one species to a different species.

This talk has sparked some interest. I'm going to read up on some creation science theories and evidene.