Marian Apparitions

[dairygirl4u2c]

thanks

[Archangel]

The message was essentially the same: Repent and pray the rosary.

[jasJis]

Age old story, just different details. Just like at Cana, Mary is again instructing humanity to listen to her Son and obey Him.

[MichaelFilo]

Each one is a bit different. Fatima introduced the cult of the devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

God bless,
Mikey

[Melchisedec]

No more truth revealed than the information aliens give after abductions.

[MichaelFilo]

Are you sure... 6 meetings, miracle of the sun, I don't know. Prophecies fulfilled, who knows, they may of held some merit.

God bless,
Mikey

[yiannii]

Catholics do not have to accept private revelation.

[Mrvoll]

Didn't any of you see the the Fatima Documentry. If you were to see it, it will make you believe.

Pope John Paul II said that Ourt Lady of Fatima said his life.

[argent_paladin]

You can't be Catholic and NOT believe the message of Lourdes. The Immaculate Conception was dogmatically proclaimed, requiring belief. However, one doesn't have to believe the actual apparitions, so it is not blasphemous to doubt them, as it is not blasphemous to doubt alien abductions. However, Mel, it shows a lack of respect, sensitivity and tact to come to a Catholic board and insult people's sincerely held beliefs. I personally don't believe in UFO's but I don't go on alien abduction bulletin boards and denegrate their beliefs.

[CarpeDiem88]

I believe that they may have happened. I'm not going to refuse that they didn't though. I was really sick one time because I prayed that God would take the pain from one of my friends and give it to me (NEVER DO THAT); I ended up on crutches but one day, as I was beginning to feel better, I found a rose thorn in my crutches. I was no where near a rose bush nor are there any in any place I go to. Explain that. It's either a miracle or a pure coincidence. I would have to say that it's a miracle. We were meant to see her. If she wants us to know she's there, she'll show us. We shouldn't have to be convinced though. That's why we have something called faith.

[the_rev]

These two apparations are approved by the Church. So I do believe in them. It has come to be that when apparations are investigated by the Church, they are compared to Lourdes, and use the methods used to "OK" the Lourdes apparations.

[MichaelFilo]

[quote name='CarpeDiem88' date='Mar 28 2005, 12:51 AM'] I believe that they may have happened. I'm not going to refuse that they didn't though. I was really sick one time because I prayed that God would take the pain from one of my friends and give it to me (NEVER DO THAT); I ended up on crutches but one day, as I was beginning to feel better, I found a rose thorn in my crutches. I was no where near a rose bush nor are there any in any place I go to. Explain that. It's either a miracle or a pure coincidence. I would have to say that it's a miracle. We were meant to see her. If she wants us to know she's there, she'll show us. We shouldn't have to be convinced though. That's why we have something called faith. [/quote]
Actually, do taht often. That is a very holy thing to do.
Congratulations.

God bless,
Mikey

[scardella]

[quote name='MichaelFilo' date='Mar 14 2005, 10:06 PM'] Each one is a bit different. Fatima introduced the cult of the devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

God bless,
Mikey [/quote]
cult?

what are you talking about?

[MichaelFilo]

Cult, not as you would understand it in the very modern sense. The word cult was used to refer to the saints (ie "the cult of saints"). I should be more clear, this would be the defenition of cult I am refering to:

Devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.

As time has gone on, the term has changed quite a bit, but I use it in it's anceint context, most especially as teh direvitive fo the word "colo" meaning worship. So, what I meant to say was that Fatima introduced the veneration and devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

The Saints have been refered to as a cult in the past as well, if that should let the defenition sink in a bit better.

The fact that words change in meaning overtime is a big problem, especially for those of us who prefer their more historical defenitions.

God bless,
Mikey

[Monoxide]

Sometimes I think that some people were eating wild mushrooms to cause apparations, like in the one the girl said she saw the floating heads of bad priests in a burning lake of fire, I would bet you a dollar she saw the faces of priests that she didn't like. I am not saying that the visions were false, but I am saying that even if there were divine sent, they would have had some human stain mixed in...

[Archangel]

[quote name='Monoxide' date='Apr 6 2005, 07:26 PM'] I am not saying that the visions were false, but I am saying that even if there were divine sent, they would have had some human stain mixed in... [/quote]
"Human stain" such as?

[Monoxide]

Are you Jesus? Are you perfect? There is nothing that we can do that our Master couldn't do better, hence the Human Stain. I would even go as far to say as when you are inspired by our Master you are still human, so you would make human mistakes, clumsyness who knows. Mabye little girl from the Fatima embellished her story a bit to make it more extreme? I cannot see our Mother giving a young girl images of severed priest's heads floating around in a vat of acid, can you?

As a youth I discovered something. When I prayed, it was when I was in need, sadly I was selfish, anyway, the prayer generally came through but it would often take many weeks, months or even years, but when they came through, they would come differantly than I expected, often with an unseen or even malicious cost. As a youth I reasoned that as our Master is not present directly on earth, the devil was tainting our Master's influence on us, but I realize that it is humanity itself that taints our Masters influence. It is our nature to be a bit selfish, and in our selfishness we could possibly corrupt any influence our Lord and Master has to give us. Arg I am losing coherancy again.

-Monoxide

[Archangel]

So what "human stain" occurred at Fatima?

[Monoxide]

"Mabye little girl from the Fatima embellished her story a bit to make it more extreme? I cannot see our Mother giving a young girl images of severed priest's heads floating around in a vat of acid, can you?" Could it be that the girl was insulted by a priest in some way or another, so she saw his head burning in a pit of acid while on some herself? I do not know.

I am not judging the Fatima visions, but I am not condoning them either. I have no right to say that a specific part was tainted, but I used the above as an example how it might happen.

[Archangel]

[quote name='Monoxide' date='Apr 7 2005, 05:45 AM']"Mabye little girl from the Fatima embellished her story a bit to make it more extreme? I cannot see our Mother giving a young girl images of severed priest's heads floating around in a vat of acid, can you?" Could it be that the girl was insulted by a priest in some way or another, so she saw his head burning in a pit of acid while on some herself? I do not know.

I am not judging the Fatima visions, but I am not condoning them either. I have no right to say that a specific part was tainted, but I used the above as an example how it might happen.[/quote]
Did it happen?